Release on Aug 30 confirmed?

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:36 pm Post

I still see a lot of bug reports. It looks like the scheduled day will be postponed. I do hope to be wrong.
Any news?

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:29 pm Post

It looks like the scheduled day will be postponed.

There is no scheduled release date, at least not one that has been made known to the user community. The co-developer of Scrivener for Windows made a personal commitment to having ScrivW3 ready for release on 8/30. That does not imply a release is scheduled by L&L for that date, as documentation, tutorial and translations might still be incomplete. In fact one could argue that Lee was committing to a Release Candidate by that date, and that the development team has fulfilled that commitment, A[n] RC means it's last call for bug fixes, and that we beta testers should not keep our counsel on anomalies that are natural to a work in progress, but should point them out as bugs, unsparingly and forthwith.

A generous interpretation? Perhaps. But L&L have gone out on a limb for Windows users, with nearly two years of free public betas. And it's back-to-school season, a prime window for sales. They have more at stake than we do as users. We've been getting their best as it becomes available, whatever the label on the package.

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:35 pm Post

thanks :-)

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:21 pm Post

JJSlote wrote:
It looks like the scheduled day will be postponed.

There is no scheduled release date...


MimeticMouton wrote:With our 31st August 2019 target release date not too far away...

I don't know what you are talking about, but this is, in fact, the fourth sentence in the last beta 21 release notes.
So, let's agree to disagree here. If this is not a real date, they should stop throw any target dates around since this annoys users.

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Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:45 pm Post

I don't know what you are talking about, but this is, in fact, the fourth sentence in the last beta 21 release notes.

You're right; MM did post that, and thanks for the reminder. Of course a target release date isn't a scheduled release date. Some folks are going to be annoyed at a missed target, others prefer having a realistic ETA, even if it doesn't prove to be the ATA.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:20 am Post

JJSlote wrote:Of course a target release date isn't a scheduled release date.


There is a subtle difference, I admit, but it's not a coincidence we see so many questions of this sort posted in the form.

I, personally, don't care too much about when the next version will come out. I'm perfectly happy with 1.9. At the same time, I think, it's a good strategy not to release any dates until the product is ready to be released.

Most of the times, IMHO, 'We are working on it, and it will be ready when it's ready,' is a much better message than moving forward the release dates every few months in the last two years.

But maybe that's just me. :mrgreen:

As a final thought: I don't understand the people continually asking for an oficcial final release. It may be official, but it's not going to be final. The devs will continue to work on it and release new incremental versions, fixing bugs, and I hope, adding new features. This oficcial final release is not going to be suddenly substantially more stable or future rich than the latest beta. It will be an incremental step, nothing more.
Meanwhile, we're provided with a free version to use as we please. So, I fail to see the reason behind that rashness.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:36 am Post

I cannot be happy with the beta. It might not be safe and, maybe, I could lose something important. That's why, even if I would like, I have not installed it and I will not. However, this is slowing down my activity since, while I am waiting, I do not start anything really important for me.
An official release date should be given, and respected.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:09 am Post

mariani wrote: ... while I am waiting, I do not start anything really important for me.


...and it is obviously L&L that is responsible for this. It is just beautiful.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:42 am Post

'An official release date should be given, and respected'.

So you'd prefer L&L give you a firm date and release the software even if it's not ready for prime time? L&L don't use paying customers as Beta testers, unlike one or two others out there in the past.

Development of a complex program such as Scrivener is not something where you assign a certain number of days. If you don't want to release half ready software and all the customer angst, you release it when it is ready and not before.

L&L have consistently said 'when it's ready' They have said several times they had a target approximate time frame but have stuck to the when it's ready mantra.

The beta as very solid and has minimal risk while the old 1.9 is rock solid with no risk.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:44 am Post

'An official release date should be given, and respected'.

So you'd prefer L&L give you a firm date and release the software even if it's not ready for prime time? L&L don't use paying customers as Beta testers, unlike one or two others out there in the past.

Development of a complex program such as Scrivener is not something where you assign a certain number of days. If you don't want to release half ready software and all the customer angst, you release it when it is ready and not before.

L&L have consistently said 'when it's ready' They have said several times they had a target approximate time frame but have stuck to the when it's ready mantra.

The beta as very solid and has minimal risk while the old 1.9 is rock solid with no risk.

I am using the beta for production work (with ample backups) so if you want to write, there's ample reason to jump on board with the beta.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:49 am Post

... while I am waiting for the final relase of Scrivener 3 for Windows (sic), I do not start anything really important for me.


Seriously? You've stopped using version 1.9, a perfectly good and productive product. You're not producing anything. You've halted your writing. Your ideas have come to a halt as well. You're incapable of producing new product. You're waiting for the final version of Scriv 3 to produce?

Huh.

I have used Scriv 1.whatever since 2011. I changed that when Beta 7 came out. I've been using the beta ever since. I can't count the product I've produced, edited, loaded into Word, and uploaded to the many ebook sites available to me.

Of course, your mileage may vary, obviously.

Good luck with your writing.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:58 pm Post

Oh! The drama of the whole situation! Will they? Or Won't they?

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:58 pm Post

mariani wrote:I cannot be happy with the beta. It might not be safe and, maybe, I could lose something important. That's why, even if I would like, I have not installed it and I will not. However, this is slowing down my activity since, while I am waiting, I do not start anything really important for me.
An official release date should be given, and respected.


Taking a piece of software and labeling it "Official Release" has absolutely no impact on the functionality of that code. And conversely, a piece of software is not rendered less reliable by being labeled "Beta."

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:58 pm Post

Well, are you meaning that your release comes without any warranty and we'll use it at our own risk? :D

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:15 pm Post

mariani wrote:Well, are you meaning that your release comes without any warranty and we'll use it at our own risk? :D


As is the case with most software. http://www.literatureandlatte.com/downl ... indows.pdf

But what I actually meant was that you should care about the behavior of the software, not whether a particular word is applied on a particular date. If the software is not ready for release on August 30, it's not in your best interest (or ours) to insist that we adhere to that date anyway.

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