Apparently, now I think like Donald Trump; a man, I must admit, who scares the crap out of me – alas, this forum should not be used to discussed political matters, and I’ve decided to not say anything more other than I feel quite offended by that.
You are forced, in a way, to have to use Dropbox when you download the app. There really aren’t any other options. If you really want to get technical, when you buy Scrivener – and it’s a hefty bill for an app – you should not be forced to use Dropbox or use any other software because that’s not what you paid for. If that were the case, then the app should have been advertised this way. It’s a Scrivener/Dropbox app, and not a Scrivener app ultimately. On top of that, you’re essentially paying one company, to use the free services of another company. I think there’s something fundamentally off with that arrangement.
All this is coming the fact, that I’m having a lot of conflict issues with Dropbox and the app integration and would like to have other options.
I don’t think I’ve trapped myself into a corner whatsoever. If fact, I find most of all your arguments rather paltry and border on being personal and not really intellectual. I think my arguments still stand and I sincerely hope something should be done. This forum is meant to be a place where questions and concerns are to be addressed, and not a place for personal attacks.
My apologies for the offence caused. Obviously a poor attempt to be lighthearted. I just failed to see the link between the implicit threat of legal action in the thread title and the content of your original post.
Others above have pointed out that you do not have to use Dropbox. That can’t be stressed enough. You can file swap with iTunes, or zip and send through other services.
I presume you have followed all of the instructions contained in the knowledge base article on how to set sync up properly, and are following best practice in terms of not working on two separate devices without syncing in between? If you’re still getting conflicts, then you really should email support (which I am sure you have already done). I have been switching back and forth between my laptop and iPhone all day with a project of over 100,000 words, just testing. Multiple changes made in multiple files, and no conflicts, so you are definitely not seeing typical behaviour when instructions are followed.
You haven’t made an argument, you have offered a viewpoint. There is a difference. Most of the replies have been helpful in pointing out alternatives to Dropbox syncing. It doesn’t matter how sincerely you hope for something when it has been explained clearly why what you are hoping for is not currently possible.
No, you don’t have to use Dropbox.
You can work only on the iOS app, in which case you don’t need Dropbox. You can transfer files via iTunes, in which case you don’t need Dropbox.
It is only if you decide to work on a project on both a desktop and on the iOS app, and refuse to transfer via iTUnes, that you need Dropbox.
The big problem is that all your posts on the forum are about something you don’t like about Scrivener, or would like to be different than it currently is, and you never accept any answers. When you are proven to be wrong about something you just start a new thread in here, about the same thing or something similar or something completely new, without ever acknowledging that you actually were wrong or had misunderstood.
Your logic in this thread is similar to someone buying a car and then complaining about only being allowed to drive on roads. You should be allowed to drive where ever you want to go, and not only on roads built by someone else than the car company.
Why don’t you use all your energy to actually write something, a short story or novel, instead of just trying to start a fight and be a general nuisance?
This is untrue. You can use iOS Scrivener completely independently of the desktop versions. You can transfer data to iOS Scrivener via a direct connection using iTunes. Dropbox is the only cloud service that iOS Scrivener supports – for technical reasons explained in detail elsewhere – but it is absolutely not required to make full use of iOS Scrivener.
Moreover, the Dropbox limitation has been made clear in the pre-release discussions of iOS Scrivener, and in many different places on this site.
LOL! I was going to make a similar point and then realized I’d already wasted too much time on this. Thank you for making it for me.
At one point in my career I seriously considered the idea of transitioning to being an independent software developer. After reading through some of these IOS-related posts, I am so glad that I stayed in Corp IT. I do not have the patience and tact that KB has.
Lunk — I find the general tone of your posts quite unnecessary and personally directed. The demeaning tone you carry yourself with when writing to me via this forum, just makes you sound absurd – something I am sure you are not. I’m actually in law school – that alone doesn’t make me any smarter than the average joe I should say (though it has helped get out a few tough spots in life) – but I just would like to argue that my thoughts don’t come from some repository of impulsiveness, that when not properly pandered to, continue to sublimate at the beck and call of whatever my whims may facilitate to at any given, particular moment. As for the car analogy, I thought it silly, and not at all parallel – so much so that I’m just not going to respond to it, outside of the fact that I think the two situations are very much different. And as for my devoting my energies towards some form of writing of some kind in lieu of ranting my arse off here, yup, you’re probably right. Unfortunately, the app that I would use to write my great piece of writing – Scrivener for iOS – has a major problem with it, hence my writing here.
The argument that I can use the app without using dropbox is, of course, obvious. Yup, via iTunes, etc, etc. But the holy grail of this app is its cloud capabilities. That’s what drew me towards the app. Unfortunately, I’ve had a billion problems with dropbox (actually most of them have to deal with security issues)in the past, and in using Scrivener for iOS I found it felt like the app was more an advertisement for Dropbox, more than it was an advertisement for itself. I didn’t purchase Scrivener to use dropbox; I purchased scrivener to use scrivener. I hope at some point that gets addressed in the next iteration of your app.
Unless you have the desktop app as well, and want to use both, together, there is absolutely no reason what so ever to use Dropbox. You can use the iOS app on its own, which means everything is saved on your iDevice.
There is simply no logic in what you write, law school student or not.
You’re completely wrong. That IS what you paid for. Did they promise you anything else? You’re acting like they said in their press releases they synced with everything, you bought it, you got cheated, and then you are saying: but that is what I paid for!
Look at my attachment. It’s a screenshot from the iTunes Store, where you bought it. At the page WHERE you bought it.
And then I am not even talking about the multiple stuff L&L put out before, like on the forum, on the news letter, on the Facebook page, etc. …
Sorry. You. Are. Wrong.
Saying you want other cloud services supported, is perfectly fine. Insinuating you are cheated, talking about legal issues and not having what you paid for etc, is just wrong. I’ll quote you again to remind you, you said: “You shouldn’t be forced, because that is not what you paid for.”
Lunk – If I didn’t have any logic to what I wrote, why did you and do you continue to bother to respond? What’s the point in arguing with someone if you fundamentally believe they don’t know how to argue? That their thoughts don’t matter, or that they derive from someone to whom you think possesses cognitive deficits of some degree or order? Oh right, your point was to insult, to demean, to ridicule the intelligence of someone, because outside of that reason, there really is no reason to continue arguing (or rather not arguing, but ridiculing), is there?
As for the actual argument, which I have already stressed before: I just want more options. Yeah, I know you could use the app and the desktop without ever touching dropbox. That isn’t the argument. I want cloud capabilities beyond dropbox, because I don’t like dropbox. And, as something to improve on in the next iteration, maybe that’s something that can be done.
sidderke – To some extent, you’re correct. Feeling that you’ve been duped, is different from actually being duped. And the truth is, I wasn’t, in the fine print. But man, this dropbox thing caught me off guard, and I just don’t think people should have to feel that way.
There should be more options. Period. Do I feel that there’s something fishy, legally? Heck yeah. Not in the law, but in the spirit of it.
I did not insult or demean you as a person, only the logic in your post. If you already have Mac Scrivener, there was nothing to stop you from writing a masterpiece, long before the emergence of iOS Scrivener. And you already have a lot of options. There are several other writing softwares. Each one of them has its advantages and disadvantages. All you have to do is to pick the one which best suits your needs.
But you are right. I’ll stop discussing with you, or answering your questions, because I don’t think you really want any answers.
Good bye.
Lunk – Saying goodbye on a forum is a bit silly and juvenile dude, cause the next time you post, you kinda …are …just …there. And what do you like not want me to respond to you? Cause I will if I find what your saying is off. I expect the same outta you.
Of course I can run off to other apps, but I don’t want to. Why? Because scrivener despite its shortcomings rocks the house! I just think there should more cloud options. Do I think users are forced still? In a way (and not in all ways) they are. Do I think there’s something fishy legally going on, sort of, but honestly it’s more in spirit than in actuality.
Do I want solutions? Heck ya. Make a better app next time around. As a customer, I believe I have that right to make.
Yosemite, so you have an issue with “the spirit of the legality” of there being a product in the market that doesn’t meet your requirements. Interesting point.
I’m closing this thread, as it clearly is degenerating into pointless quibbling and insults.
For several months, Literature & Latte has made it abundantly clear that Scrivener for iOS will only synchronize with Dropbox, for technical reasons that have also been made abundantly clear. If, in your opinion, this renders the application unusable, feel free to request a refund from the App Store. Apple is usually quite responsive in that regard.
