If you scroll through the library on iTunes then the lines of song information become overlapped with a song’s info partially obscuring its neigbour’s. It looks exceedingly strange and is really annoying. Especiallly since I’m trying to sort out all my music for transfer to my old mac which is now to be an audio player.
Futher still, if you take your cursor and run it from the bottom up (without clicking anything) you can push the jumbled lines upwards. Everything then reveals as it should until you next scroll whereupon another jumbled mess is brought into view. With a large audio library it is an absolute nightmare.
I shall take a look at that thanks. My original idea was to write a quick script which would do it for me. If someone else has gone to the effort though it makes my life easier.
On a side note, I just tried to view a video Vic had linked to on another thread. The one with the (Apple developer) guy laughing about the Mac notebook. Upon being taken to the YouTube site my screen went black and a message briefly appeared stating OS X had encountered a problem and was restarting. A crash in my 1st week of my new mac. Wonder if Apple didn’t want me watching that particular video?
Doing the PRAM / SMC / cache voodoo with onyx does little to fix the fragile mess of bugs that Yosemite introduced. Apple are reverting Discoveryd in 10.10.4 for a reason…
It is a shame as Yosemite was the first OS X with a public beta program we all hoped this would increase quality, I posted around 30 bugs but my bluetooth / airplay / wifi ones were never fixed before public release. I can only assume Apple were ill-equipped to deal with a public beta, and can only hope this has been dealt with for the El Capitan beta…
The other major complaints against Yosemite, like the worst UI drawing performance of any OS X release (as well as can be measured with quartz debug), are looking to be well and truly fixed in El Capitan, at least if you take the sample of Macrumors forum users as a representative sample:
The point that Apple appear to be slowly abandoning OpenGL in favour of their own closed Metal API does however smack of Microsoft’s DirectX lock-in… Looks like the dream of a high-performance, cross-platform graphics API (Vulkan) will be dead on birth (or restricted to windows+linux).
Thanks for the advice but these problems are not related to any of the above as these are ‘out of the box’ issues.
Hopefully that will also resolve the redraw issues then.
Having researched futher the colour issue (other people get only a black screen on wake up/some a black screen with a cursor) it seems to be a mac mini related problem.
I also stopped nsurlsessiond connecting anywhere and that seems to have improved the wifi situation somewhat.
I’m currently wondering if iTunes 8 or 9 would run safely under 10.10. Will have to do some research.
If it is a new Mac with so many probs, I’d take it back. My 2007 iMac and 2007 MBP haven’t had any of the issues you’re experiencing with a new machine. I feel your pain. Not good.
If you carried files over from a Time Machine (or similar) backup, I’d still try the things listed above, just in case some old detritus had been carried over. Worth a punt, I would have thought. Even running the maintenance scripts and clearing out caches might help. Though completely understand that other opinions are available.
I wish you well. Major ache to have so many issues. I’d be peeved.
Hi Briar, Thanks for the kind words. I’ve had in the region of 25 macs now, since 1985, most of which I still have, and this is the first I’ve had this many issues with. But thankfully it seems that the issues are mainly all OS related, not the actual machine (though the machine is a factor). Some time scanning google has revealed I am certainly not the only one suffering from any of the issues I have… which is always good to know. I’ve not brought over anything from my old mac besides work, since most of the apps I used no longer work. Apple have acknowledged there are a few issues regarding the OS and mac-minis so hopefully they will be ironed out in the next update. Fingers crossed.
I’m almost willing to put $$ on a RAM issue. All your symptoms sound like bad GPU/IO cache or BAD RAM in socket. Not sure which model you have, but if you don’t have the pro series you likely have a bad chip in RAM slot 0.
Another thing to try (if you have the disk space): create a new partition for fresh install Yosemite and see if it runs OK. If it does, then it’s unlikely to be hardware and more likely to be your current install - either something when wrong, or some cruft was carried over from a prior machine. On the other hand, if the secondary install suffers the same problems as your main one, then I’d take the whole thing back to Apple.
would not be very likely on a freshly PURCHASED unit (which I think is what we are talking about here).
Point blank, the “quality” of apple delivered product is declining from the prospective of defect count. Higher rates of bad HW, higher rates of bad initial images, etc. I wouldn’t hesitate to request a replacement.
Thanks guys but I am still convinced these issues are all OS based as every problem is affecting lots of other people who are all coming from different angles. ie new machines with pre-installed, old machines with upgrades, iMacs, mac minis, MBPs, Mac Pros etc. There seems to be no constant with the exception of Yosemite.
We are indeed. I bought the 2.8GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 mac mini.
I’ve been using yose for a while and haven’t had those problems. On my old hardware I typically get all the issues that are buggy OS. Which leads me to believe there has to be something “more deeperer” going on than just crap build on the OS. Especially with a fresh install.
I’m assuming you’ve done the shift boot thing to disable extensions. That leaves me with my favorite “bad guy” software. You running parallels, fusion, virtual box or some other system virtualization software. So far every single issue I’ve had has stemmed form use of hypervisors. Even if you removed them they still leave crap in the kernel that needs manually removed. Might be worth looking into.
But I do agree with the general sentiment that Apple is really starting to have less value to me as an OS. I’ll likely go back to linux soon just to be “back in control” of how the UI changes. I’ve no need for “compatible interfaces” and would rather just have my gritty old OS 7 interface.
Nope, in their infinite wisdom they have reduced it to duo core.
No, to be honest I haven’t. Will try the shift boot thing. I only really use it for work so the only apps are Scrivener, Illustrator, Photoshop, Little Snitch and a menu bar radio app called Radium.
Haha I loved those days. Back then I was a huge Apple fanboy and most people I knew had never even heard of Apple. I remember I used to go to the Mac Expos that were held in London and watching in awe the unveiling of either OS 7 or 8 and the ability to reduce a window to a tab that could then sit nicely at the bottom of your screen. Wow!
Just when I thought the day couldn’t get more depressing you force me to go look at the apple store. I have may foul things to exclaim. The neighbors will be amused.
That radio app and/or little snitch would be my suspect. They are likely not doing anything intentionally but they may just hit a big that is expressed by some OS call they are using. Likely a random alignment of bits sent just to torture your grey matter.
i didn’t think any i5 2 core die existed. The other bit heads might correct me but I was under the impression that intel make a statement that all dies would be 4+ going forward. I’m wondering if these 2 core chips are “created” the same way as higher clocked chips… they just speed them up till they fail. In this case a 2 core would really be a 4 core with 2 defective cores that pass no testing. The two failed cores are amputated electrically but still there… That would leave tons of way for gremlins like you are seeing to be present.
But now I’m just cursing the very existence of multicore processors GIVE ME THE DAYS WHEN EACH CORE NEEDED A SOCKET!
Just a thought, in line with Jaysen. Some while ago … not as far back as System 7 — I really got into Apple with my first Mac (the short-lived IIvi) with System 8 … which gave me the only real headache I’ve had with Apple … I loaded the Chinese system extension which immediately trashed the HD, so I had to take it back for a new HD, but it was fine after that — but …
… that while ago, about 3 years I guess, I tried Little Snitch as I thought it might be useful. It caused all sorts of havoc, and I had to remove it immediately.
And like Jaysen, since doing a clean install of Yos, I haven’t had any trouble with it. Do you live so far in the depths of Cymru that taking it back to an Apple Store to be checked is not an easy option? My inclination would be to follow Jaysen’s advice. Think how much time and temper you’ve lost because of these bugs — would the time spent driving to your nearest store not be equally well spent?
The Apple store is about 30 miles away. I’m sure, if I get up early enough to avoid all the cows being taken for milking, I can catch the daily bus out of the village to the big City. I’ll try and pop in early next week as the weekend will probably be hectic. It’ll be interesting to hear what they say, especially if it is the OS.
In the meantime I will remove Radium, Litte Snitch and boot without extensions to see if that makes any difference.
Yep, that was my understanding. I also understood (perhaps misunderstood?) that you had copied across data from a previous machine onto your new install. I don’t recall mention about what method you used to copy that data.
The issues seem unusual for plain-wrap Yosemite. This is not to say that your experiences are unique, we know that other people experience them too, but they still remain the exception. Hence the suggestion that software or hardware may be the true gremlins. The steps suggested — Jaysen’s shift-boot (easy, I’d definitely do that as a first step) and then, if necessary, a secondary clean-install (time consuming, but thorough) — should help identify if the issue is most likely to be OS, software or hardware based.
For the record, I’ve had experience with buggy hardware. Took three years to sort it out, but this was before an Apple store opened an accessible distance away. Once it did, it only took their Geniuses 2 or 3 goes before they decided to replace my ageing machine with a brand new MBP (AppleCare was worth every penny on that machine). I wouldn’t wish 3 years of buggy hardware on anyone – it’s worth investigating now.
There has been many complaints from the upper echelons of the Apple geekosphere that Yosemite is the result of a clear downward spiral in terms of software craftsmanship, and this is worse than any hardware changes:
OK! Y’ can all relax now. I’ve just got rid of the Yosemite septic tank, and connected to a proper sewer. Classic … eh?
Still got the ‘Idiots’ Guide To OS 8.5’ somewhere
Ahh … there y go!
Wonder if Apple didn’t want me watching that particular video? 
Classic … eh? 
