Spellcheck oddity with the text: "straight and narrow"

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:04 pm Post

Nice one, Keith.

Looks like the independent grammar function is messed up too. I just downloaded a Word doc from the Humanist site for research, which opened in Pages – which I don't use except for this purpose – and was confronted, nay, scandalised by these.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:04 pm Post

Ouch. I have to say that it's driving me mad. I type "were" and it wants to change it to "we're" all the time. I tried to find an override somewhere that might allow me to tell the spell-check to stick to spellings only, but it's all black box stuff that I can't get to, dammit.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:53 pm Post

KB wrote:If anyone has any more examples of this lunacy - occurrences of red underlines for erroneous suggestions rather than outright spelling mistakes - please list them here, and I'll send them to Apple in a bug report. This is a crazy decision given how poorly it works.


I've got dozens. Here's a screencap of just one.

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An optimal fix would be to expose the system grammar check to users, so we can turn it off if we want to.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:56 pm Post

KB wrote:Ouch. I have to say that it's driving me mad. I type "were" and it wants to change it to "we're" all the time. I tried to find an override somewhere that might allow me to tell the spell-check to stick to spellings only, but it's all black box stuff that I can't get to, dammit.


Take a look in the "Keyboard" section of the system prefs. There's a load of autocorrect and auto-replace options there. I've had mine off for years, because I know what I mean. Apple does not. The upshot is I don't have anything being autocorrected, ever. Just flagged, now, with irritating little underlines.

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:23 am Post

Belay the previous. That only works for spelling autocorrect, not grammar suggestions.

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Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:08 am Post

There's a post about this on MacRumors, in case anyone wants to add their name.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:05 pm Post

Apple closed my bug report yesterday as a duplicate, so more developers have reported it. I have a partial fix for the next update which suppresses the red underline for grammatical suggestions (which works by overriding Apple's code and running a spell-check on words Apple wants to underline in isolation, so that their code cannot suggest it's wrong in context). This only suppresses the red underlines in such cases, nothing else, because other than being able to alter which words get underlined, Apple's spell-checker code is a black box, as I say. Still, it's those red underlines that are driving me most mad. Fingers crossed Apple fixes the underlying issue soon.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:16 pm Post

This seems reminiscent of the 'i' → 'A' autocorrect problem on iOS, which was supposedly due to machine learning: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/11/07/ios-11-i

I'm gonna guess they've implemented machine learning for the spelling/grammar in Mojave too.

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Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:36 pm Post

I've been reporting each individual instance, whether right or wrong, to Apple's feedback form. I know there is little hope of any of them being read, but if enough people complain about the intrusion of this mechanism into basic dictionary-based spell checking, they might listen---or at least take it offline until it achieves a level of accuracy greater than 0.01%.
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:08 pm Post

This problem — spurious grammar error highlights — has not been corrected with macOS Mojave 10.14.1.

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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:31 pm Post

warrenao wrote:This problem — spurious grammar error highlights — has not been corrected with macOS Mojave 10.14.1.


I have, however, worked around it in 3.1 - there's a beta available in the Beta Testing forum. It can only suppress spurious underlines, nothing else, though.
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Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:45 pm Post

And here we see an example of me conducting inadequate research. I didn't realize there were public betas of Scrivener. Busily retrieving now.