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Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:06 pm Post

I've been using 1Password for many years, but with the latest update, I think it's time to move.

I went onto their "family" service with the launch of version 6 as I hoped it would help my wife keep her passwords in order and secure, though I still kept my Primary vault synchronised with Dropbox and accessible on all my devices. However, with the advent of version 7, AgileBits have removed that option. This means I will be dependent on being on-line to their servers—and I have been in situations where I've had no internet but needed to access other data stored securely in my Primary vault—and also have to learn a new password to access their servers, which I had to create when I joined the "family" service, but have never actually had to use.

So, does anyone know of an equivalent secure password and data "wallet", which allows one to synchronise the data between devices using a Dropbox, iCloud or similar account,

Thanks. :)

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Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:25 pm Post

I’ve used both the Secrets service—which uses iCloud—and the Lastpass service which uses its own servers. Both will let you do what you want, I think. I rather prefer the Lastpass service because I loathe iCloud, but YMMV.
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:45 pm Post

I used LastPass, but now I use RoboForm which I find much more convenient.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:51 am Post

I’ve used Lastpass for many years, sharing with my partner, and currently use the family tier of their service. I spent a lot of time trying various passsword manager when first choosing, with the criteria of robust sync (thus precluding the more paranoid among us, who think passwords and clouds should never mix) along with support of any browser and device, and a reasonable price. At the time with a Google phone, Lastpass was the best set of features for the most reasonable price ($1 per month), and sync across multiple devices always worked flawlessly. Lastpass has the best 2-factor authentication of any service for a long time (arguably still better than the alternatives, though the gap has closed). This was important for me especially when travelling a lot etc. Lastpass has a native macOS client, however the browser is still my dominant interface. For many years, LP had the best password auditing features (how many passwords are weak, repeated, on online leaked lists etc), but other tools have caught up I think.

Lastpass was purchased by LogMeIn, a company who seems to be deeply loathed by many customers, and there was an exodus of users at that time, as there was with a recent price increase ($1 per month to $2 per month). But Lastpass is still IMO reasonably priced compared to the alternatives, and is still well regarded in comparative reviews. It does have an "offline" mode, where the binary blob of your database is accessed but not synced.

Dashlane — very nice aesthetic design but a limited buggy extensions that only worked in certain browsers. I’m sure they’ve improved since I tested, but nothing to stand out IMO.

1Password — has always been far too expensive IMO, by far the nicest UI on macOS, but a more limited feature set and poorer compatibility across OSes.

I am seriously thinking however of switching to Bitwarden — this is one of the few password manager whose source code is fully open, and a company that seems to be tightly focussed on openness as a security feature.

Bitwarden is 100% open source software. The source code for Bitwarden is hosted on GitHub and everyone is free to review, audit, and contribute to the Bitwarden codebase.We believe that being open source is one of the most important features of Bitwarden. Source code transparency is an absolute requirement for software solutions like Bitwarden.


I imported from Lastpass and used it for a week a few months ago — browser extensions are really good, and the client was OK. I’ve already paid for Lastpass for this year, but the ease of switching to Bitwarden for testing made me confident it would be a viable route. A 5-person families account is only $1 per month, and for 2-person sharing it is free. And if you are paranoid, you can even self-host on your own server! Not sure about its offline mode though. As a new user, I’d probably choose Bitwarden.

https://bitwarden.com/

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Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:13 am Post

Thanks all for your very helpful responses. I shall have a look at them—apart from Dashlane, which I investigated for a friend but wasn't too impressed. I'll also wait to see if anyone else chips in. I don't have to move quickly.

I can see about migrating all the stuff in my Primary vault to my Personal vault on their server, but it still doesn't solve the offline issue. I was using my 17" MBP and needed to look up a licence code for an app I'd just installed, which I'd entered in 1Password on my 13" MBP, only to discover it wasn't there on the 17". That was when I discovered it was no longer Sync'ing the Primary vault through Dropbox.

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Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:56 pm Post

I'm a bit confused... the stand-alone clients can still use Dropbox, and you can share a dropbox folder with another dropbox account. I never wanted to move to their server, so I've stuck with the clients + dropbox, though I haven't upgraded recently... is there something about the latest releases that prevents you from transitioning back to individual client licenses and sync all your vaults using dropbox?

V7 for Windows (https://support.1password.com/upgrade-windows/) states:
1Password 7 for Windows is available as part of a 1Password membership or as a standalone license. It supports 1Password accounts, local folders, and Dropbox.


The same statement seems to be true for the latest Mac client: https://support.1password.com/upgrade-mac/

Edit: Also, they claim that your data is available offline even if you're using their membership subscription:
Can I access my data offline?
Yep. And if you edit your data offline in the 1Password apps, changes will be available on your other devices as soon as you’re back online

https://support.1password.com/why-membership/
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:28 pm Post

I've used Enpass for a few years with an MBP and odd iOS devices. I sync via iCloud, but it supports all the usual sync candidates. You can also enable automatic local backups. It's not the sexiest UX, but it does the job just fine, and it's been pain-free to date. It's hard to get excited about something so dull that just works!

I should point out that I dislike subscription software, so one-time (or periodic) payments for apps is my preference.
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Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:28 am Post

I've been using keepass for a very long time but recently I've been having some issues with syncing it across devices. Thats when I came across Bitwarden. No hassles and easy to use. I recommend that you try it.

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:43 am Post

Much belatedly, thanks again to all who have answered.

Having looked at all your suggestions, I've decided to stay with 1Password for the moment, and have spent time copying all the logins and other data I need into my personal vault on their server. Any new ones, I will create in there too, but keep my local "Primary" vault as another backup.

@rdale, I know it's weird but it will no longer sync to Dropbox:

Open Preferences > Sync to get this:

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Choose from the Dropdown:

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Get this:

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Click cancel and you're back to the start! And the file in Dropbox is not updated. There is no "Sync now" command on any menu.

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Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:50 pm Post

It’s worth raising a support ticket with AgileBits.
All of my data in 1Password is stored locally and syncs. 1Password works better now than at anytime since I first started using it several years ago. I wouldn’t dream of switching.
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Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:58 pm Post

nom wrote:It’s worth raising a support ticket with AgileBits.
All of my data in 1Password is stored locally and syncs. 1Password works better now than at anytime since I first started using it several years ago. I wouldn’t dream of switching.

Am I right in thinking that in your supreme Nomsense, you haven't changed to the subscription-based "1Password for Families"? I did that so I could get my wife's passwords organised, and use the shared vault for passwords that we need to share. Sadly, she has never got into it, and there is no point in trying again until I have the chance to sort out why her Late 2011 13" MBP runs like a snail on Temazepam.

But to your comment, I did contact AgileBits support about it a while back, and got a terse reply saying, "You shouldn't be using a Primary Vault"!

Anyway, I've done the transfers, which also allowed me only to copy the ones I use regularly, but lets me keep the rarely used ones in the Primary vault which I can access on this main computer.

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Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 am Post

xiamenese wrote:
nom wrote:It’s worth raising a support ticket with AgileBits.
All of my data in 1Password is stored locally and syncs. 1Password works better now than at anytime since I first started using it several years ago. I wouldn’t dream of switching.

Am I right in thinking that in your supreme Nomsense, you haven't changed to the subscription-based "1Password for Families"? I did that so I could get my wife's passwords organised, and use the shared vault for passwords that we need to share. Sadly, she has never got into it, and there is no point in trying again until I have the chance to sort out why her Late 2011 13" MBP runs like a snail on Temazepam.


I have changed to the subscription-based model, but only as an individual, not a Family.

Sounds like tech support were more “tech” and less “support” than might be expected of a company with AgileBits’s reputation. :cry:
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:59 am Post

Hello. I'm using 1Password 7 (Version 7.2.2) with a Family subscription. I tested my setup and found that I was able to create a standalone vault and then sync it with Dropbox. This ensures that a copy of my data is available both locally and in the cloud. It might be worth noting that my copy of 1Password was bought directly from AgileBits. Let me know if you need any help setting this up. I'm more than happy to help. :-)

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