Does Scrivener Support Apple Pencil Writing?

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Sun May 12, 2019 4:25 pm Post

Apologies if this has been asked before; I searched these forums using several combinations of "pencil", "apple pencil", and writing and I couldn't find a definitive answer.

My question is this: Can you use the Apple Pencil to write in the main Scrivener interface or is it typing-only? I'm not asking if the writing would be turned into typed text (aka OCR), I just want to know if writing in the interface is possible.

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Sun May 12, 2019 10:09 pm Post

I am hoping for this feature also, or else speech to text.

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Mon May 13, 2019 1:21 am Post

AFAIK, Scrivener doesn't support Apple Pencil.
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Mon May 13, 2019 1:11 pm Post

Not that I can see, either. I have taken a few notes with the Apple Pencil and copy pasted the output into Scrivener, but not directly.
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:45 pm Post

I don't have an iPad, but I'm researching it.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, this is all you need:

https://youtu.be/tVbgngbiss8?t=128
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:59 pm Post

The bad news is that myscript Stylus (the keyboard in that video) has been pulled from the app store. What's left is Mazec keyboard (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mazec/id943711253?mt=8&app=itunes) and Writepad I (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/writepad-i-handwriting-to-text/id363618389?mt=8&app=itunes).

Personally I use Writepad. Its reviews aren't super, but I was careful to select my letter forms and to turn on continuous writing, I find that customising my letter forms gives me recognition as good as Stylus' was. "Continuous" writing lets me accumulate a word or four, and review the recognition before inserting it by writing over the beginning of the line. With a little practice it became natural to review the recognition with half an eye and select the correct one if needed from the list WritePad presents -- much easier than correcting MyScript Stylus' occasional missed recognition or my misspelling.

I still have Stylus installed. It's superior for short emails and texts. OTOH, it can get confused when asked to do editing tasks -- which WritePad seldom does.

As for Mazec, it uses the same underlying recognition engine as Stylus, but I find its user interface inferior to either WritePad's or Stylus'. YMMV.

P.S. As far as I can tell, any handwriting recognition engine does better if I exaggerate the spaces between words and write with no slant.
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Example of WritePad input.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:52 pm Post

Silverdragon wrote:Personally I use Writepad. Its reviews aren't super, but I was careful to select my letter forms and to turn on continuous writing,


Is writing in this way faster/easier than using the onscreen keyboard?
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:12 pm Post

My answer has to be---objectively, no. I ran a series of one-woman tests, once, and the result was that dictation won (120 WPM) , followed by external keyboard (60 WPM), various on-screen keyboards (about 50 WPM), with handwriting dead last (25 WPM). Net after corrections was tighter (much!) but relative rankings stayed the same (handwriting was still 25 WPM).

But that was transcribing a set piece of text, as in a typing test. Judged instead by daily output of fiction, handwriting and dictation trade places. For nonfiction, typing's fine. For asking my phone for directions, dictation is fine (as long as I take time to carefully compose my phrase in advance.) For actual fiction writing, I use my WritePad keyboard.

YMMV. Some writers swear by dictation -- roughly 160 WPM. Some can rip along typing at 60-90 WPM. My mental composition engine barely manages to keep up with handwriting at 30 WPM. :D
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:58 am Post

Excellent data, thanks.
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:51 pm Post

Silverdragon wrote:The bad news is that myscript Stylus (the keyboard in that video) has been pulled from the app store. What's left is Mazec keyboard (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mazec/id943711253?mt=8&app=itunes) and Writepad I (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/writepad-i-handwriting-to-text/id363618389?mt=8&app=itunes).

Personally I use Writepad. Its reviews aren't super, but I was careful to select my letter forms and to turn on continuous writing, I find that customising my letter forms gives me recognition as good as Stylus' was. "Continuous" writing lets me accumulate a word or four, and review the recognition before inserting it by writing over the beginning of the line. With a little practice it became natural to review the recognition with half an eye and select the correct one if needed from the list WritePad presents -- much easier than correcting MyScript Stylus' occasional missed recognition or my misspelling.

I still have Stylus installed. It's superior for short emails and texts. OTOH, it can get confused when asked to do editing tasks -- which WritePad seldom does.

As for Mazec, it uses the same underlying recognition engine as Stylus, but I find its user interface inferior to either WritePad's or Stylus'. YMMV.

P.S. As far as I can tell, any handwriting recognition engine does better if I exaggerate the spaces between words and write with no slant.
E00E74B8-761C-422D-925C-C58BD3050965.png


I think that just in the last 24 hours the My Script Nebo folk have launched a beta that may be this handwriting feature?

It’s here if you want to confirm or deny!

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/myscript-nebo/id1119601770

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Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:45 pm Post

Believe it or not, I don't actually own an Apple Pencil. I use handwriting on my iPhone as well as on my iPad, so I use either a plain capacitative stylus or an electronic stylus that just works as a (pointy-er) plain stylus. Since MyScript Nebo requires an Apple Pencil, I can't help you out here.

Edit: I checked the Nebo knowledge base on the MyScript website. This new functionality permits Nebo users to use the ordinary on-screen keyboard within Nebo. It does not provide a handwriting keyboard that other apps may use.
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