No, I work from it.
Ok, thanks. Sorry for all the questions, I’m just trying to sort through the ambiguity between the official supported recommendation about dropbox and Scrivener and the way people are actually using it. Like most people, I write on multiple computers (workstation at home, laptop when traveling, etc), so storing the Scrivener project on dropbox is the ideal (really, the only) way to work. Sounds like as long as I insure everything is synced and closed on one machine before opening the project on another I’ll be ok – unofficially of course. 
No problem at all. In fact you prompted me to do something I’ve been meaning to do for a while, and update the Dropbox advice, so I’ve been writing another post with guidelines on using Scrivener with Dropbox. You can find it here:
https://forum.literatureandlatte.com/t/using-scrivener-with-dropbox/11295/1
That covers everything you should need to do to ensure that working on a project directly from Dropbox doesn’t cause you any troubles. Of course, back up religiously just in case. 
All the best,
Keith
I have a similar workflow for working from my MacBook (My primary writing machine) and my Mac Mini. I actually do very little writing on the Mini, but the files sync both ways regardless. I use SugarSync rather than Dropbox. I have my writing folder set to sync on both computers, and as I write, I can actually watch SugarSync sync the files as I write. I’m only using one machine at a time, and make sure that the sync in complete on the MacBook and that the sync is complete on the Mini before opening the file on the Mini.
I think the tricky part of this is going to be when I get my new Air at the end of this week…
Keith, the new guideline post is wonderful, thanks. I think this will help many users. As you know, cloud computing and sharing workflow between a handful of devices is the way most professionals work now, so this issue is often the first one to address when considering a new piece of software like Scrivener – it certainly was for me.
BTW, you might want to update last couple questions of this FAQ with the new information: literatureandlatte.com/wiki/ … nformation
After spending the last two days reading these forums and watching the tutorials, I’m about to bite the bullet and buy Scrivener. One big question remains unanswered for me, though.
I currently use Word. I mostly work on a desktop computer, but like to occasionally work on my laptop (I think a lot of writers are this way!) To move files, I currently copy a folder with whatever Word files I’ve used during a given writing session onto a jump/thumb/flash drive, and then walk it to the other computer and upload. I like this method a lot better than Dropbox. Dropbox screams for me to make errors (given the length of this thread, I may not be the only one!) I am NOT techie at all, and I like “seeing” what I’m doing so I know files are where I want them and that the latest version of my document is on each computer.
So if I buy Scrivener, I assume I can download the program onto both the desktop computer and the laptop computer. But is it then possible, given the “bundling” of Scrivener files, to download to a thumb drive at the end of a session on one computer and walk it to the other computer to upload? Is there some special technique to do this that’s different than the way one would copy a file in Word?
My desktop does back up automatically every day to both an external drive and to an offsite storage location, so it’s not a question of having an effective backup in case something goes wrong. I have that covered. It’s a question of being able to work between computers.
I’ve spent forever on the forums and can’t figure out the answer to this. Before I download, I want to be sure I know what I’m doing so I get the program up and running properly on both computers and can transfer files between them. THANKS!
Yes, Scrivener project files on the Mac look and act just like ordinary files. It will be no more difficult to copy a .scriv project than it will a .doc file. This is the most basic and easy way to work with Scrivener files. A lot of the stuff you see in this thread and others that talk about syncing a .scriv project is going to by nature be more technical than a simple copy, because once you put a .scriv project on a non-Mac server, it turns into folders and files (well, that’s what it always was, but the Mac hides that) and you have to start worrying more about the components of the thing and making sure Dropbox is correctly operating on the hundreds or thousands of files inside a typical .scriv folder.
Now in your case, you can just drag the .scriv bundle and the whole thing moves in one shot. You might find this a little slow, especially once your project grows a bit, so you might want to try switching to using .zip files if it gets too slow. This is easy to do, from within the open project in Scrivener you can save a .zip backup of the project anywhere you like, including directly to the USB stick. Zip files compress everything, saving lots of space, and pack it all into one single file (a true single file). But just starting out, you can get by with just copying the .scriv file around like a .doc file, and if your demands on the program are never too intensive, you might never need to take the zip option.
So in summary, the reason why you haven’t seen a lot of discussion on copying .scriv files is that honestly it’s very straightforward. There isn’t much you can do to get that wrong that isn’t also within the realm of plain old common sense knowledge from any form of file copying.
Wow–thank you! That makes it all sound very easy. Now to test it out
Yeah. One of the big design factors in the project format was ease of portability. Drag a single thing, and all your research and snapshots and manuscript are right as you left them on Machine A, all the way down to which document you were viewing last, all the way down to the selection of text in that document. Unfortunately ease of portability has clashed a little bit with the rise of automated computer synchronisation, so that has made things marginally more complicated than they were meant to be originally.
Just remember that the ula for dropbox state very clearly that they own EVERYTHING residing on their servers. That includes your intellectual data. Meaning that they have the right to take, copyright and use anything that is now or ever has been in the past, put on their servers.
So take care when using them.
The apple iCloud that is being implemented with Lion does not have that ULA, though they do have the right to go through the data and turn it over to authorities etc… which is reasonable.
Can you point to the current portion of the Terms of Service or other document that states this? I know there was a big brouhaha over their terms as regards the public folder, but I think they changed those terms to be more in line with common sense. I believe the former terms were a case of over-zealous lawyers trying to cover their asses with regards to files that users of their service chose to put on the public folders. The new ones just caution you that DropBox cannot be held responsible for copywrite infringement perpetrated by third parties who access your publicly available data.
Current Terms of Service:
dropbox.com/terms#terms
(Emphasis mine)
Yes, they do specify some conditions and exceptions, but these are all acceptable in my mind for a business to use—certainly good enough for an individual.
xiamanese wrote (back in 2009!)
Hi Mark and Rebecca,
I would like to use Dropbox to synchronise between a laptop and a desktop using the zip protocol outlined in “How should I keep my projects up to date between different computers?” (literatureandlatte.com/wiki/ … _computers) but I have to work on the laptop at an Internet-free location occasionally (for a weekend to 10 days).
My question: Will the synchronise-sharing protocol still work if I backup to Dropbox once I get the laptop back to an Internet location and before I open any Dropbox zips from the home desktop?
(I know this carries the risk that the yet-to-be-backed-up work would get lost before I was able to sync to Dropbox, but I could do a native hard-disk backups or thumb drive backups during the offline interlude, correct?)
Also, is it possible to put the Dropbox auto-backup setting to sleep while using the laptop offline?
Thanks,
Holloway
You don’t have to do anything special to make this work. Dropbox will periodically look for an internet connection, “sleeping” in between checks. When you get back from the internet-free location, connect your laptop to the network, and dropbox will automatically do it’s thing. When it’s done uploading all of the data, check your desktop, which should be in the process of downloading the last bits of what you just uploaded (if it’s not done already by the time you check). Once it’s done, then you’re ready to go. There’s no need to manually fiddle with the dropbox settings.
Thanks, Robert. Now I feel comfortable taking Scrivener on offline jaunts, plus I’m quite relieved to learn that Dropbox will manage its own “naps.” Love it when nothing special is required!
Holloway
Hello all,
A few years ago, I backed up some .scriv files to an external hard drive. I’m trying to open those files now with a trial version of Scrivener, but only some of them open: the others give me the error message “No valid Scrivener 1.x project could be found at the specified path.” These are notes I took for my dissertation, which I’m currently finishing, and I’d really like to access them if possible.
As I mentioned, I currently only have a trial version of Scrivener, but I’d potentially be willing to buy it if I thought I could recover these files. Does anyone have any advice for me?
Thanks so much!
- Evan
Hello Evan,
It would be best to write to us at mac.support AT literatureandlatte DOT com about this and include one of the problematic projects (zipped up) so that we can take a look.
All the best,
Keith
On my Mountain Lion machine - Scrivener regularly refuses to acknowledge my network HD resulting in my project being saved locally and Scrivener shutting down…This is not good. When opening Scrivener, recent files only shows anything saved to my local disk.
I expect any piece of software to be able to save my files to the hard disk (network) that I choose, and then to make them available to open from within the software when I want to work on them - this is a major failing of Scrivener and needs sorting out.
A further issue is that Scrivener regularly leaves me looking at the ‘spinning ball’ - this is on an iMac with 12GB ram and not a lot else happening. Very disappointing.
Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac11,3
Processor Name: Intel Core i3
Processor Speed: 3.2 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 12 GB
Processor Interconnect Speed: 5.86 GT/s
Boot ROM Version: IM112.0057.B01
SMC Version (system): 1.59f2
OS X 10.8.2 (12C60)
Scrivener 2.3.1
Mike
I’m sorry you’re having problems, but this isn’t a “major failing” of Scrivener at all, but something going on on your computer - it’s not something I can “sort out”, I’m afraid. Scrivener’s access to the file system is entirely handled by OS X, not by Scrivener. Every open panel, every save operation, every save panel - every single window that Scrivener provides upon the file system and every single interaction with it - is all handled by OS X; by Apple’s code, not by Scrivener. So if Scrivener does not acknowledge your network HD, then this is OS X not providing Scrivener with access to the HD, not Scrivener failing to see it or connect to it. The issue is therefore to try to pinpoint what it is on your machine that is causing these problems.
Do you have any anti-virus software running, for instance?
Also, which version of Scrivener are you using - the one bought from the Mac App Store or the one from our site? In order for Scrivener to be sold on the Mac App Store, it has to be sandboxed, and Apple’s sandboxing security layer can cause problems with access to some resources, I believe, especially if security software is involved.
All the best,
Keith
Interesting - all my other programs access my HD correctly. This was purchased from the App Store.
So what you are suggesting - Apple do something to the software making it unable to deal with resources correctly when purchased from the App store. Therefore nothing to do with you. Tough on me. Well, this is a standard response in the Mac world. I think I’ll refrain from purchasing the Windows version and look for something that works as it should. Very disappointing - but not surprising.