Just about out of patience

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JensP
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:53 am Post

devinganger wrote:
JensP wrote:
AmberV wrote:...
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It may not be the discussion you want, but it's the discussion we get, because entitled fans have gotten snotty with every other position L&L has tried to take. If somebody is going to be upset no matter what you do...do what makes sense for you.

Snotty fans? Just because someone reminds L&L of their promised timelines?

If I gave L&L's timeline responses to my boss, I'd have lost my job a long time ago; so forgive me for showing no empathy towards L&L — all they have done is to stop making further promises.

So no — that has nothing to do with being snotty. But your post certainly is.

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:00 am Post

JensP wrote:Snotty fans? Just because someone reminds L&L of their promised timelines?


I was referring to the ones who decided that they knew how to run a small software development business better than KB based on zero personal experience in actually being a software developer, let alone writing best-selling apps, let alone running a business.

And the ones who made threats and personal attacks.

And the ones who claimed there was no communication about progress on the beta while ignoring the beta forums.

People have a right to be upset at the timeline. But there are productive ways to express that upset, and ways that just turn one into being a jerk. And for the record, it was the latter that I was referring to.
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Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:31 am Post

JensP wrote:
AmberV wrote:This has already been discussed within this very thread JensP.

Discussed? Hardly. At best, a statement was made that there will be no more potential release dates published. That's not a discussion. From my perspective, L&L hasn't posted anything in this forum hat's in any form close to a discussion.


This is true. We are stating our official policy, not inviting (further) debate.

There will be no further announcements of potential release dates. Progress reports for the beta can be found in the beta forum.

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Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:54 pm Post

Seems there’s one or two testy, juvenile, kranky persons on both sides of this discussion.

L&L have said it will be in 2020 and other than that will not make comment.

Nothing much more needs to be said.

I know some will say ‘I have a right to bitch on about the delay’, others will say ‘I have a right to bitch about them bitching.’

I say I’m sick of it. We all know everyone's opinion. Don’t need to hear it every day between now and release.

One other thing I need to say, thanks Keith and all the L&L team for working so hard on this and still managing to maintain a semblance of sanity and humour.

‘Shrugs shoulders and wanders off to do something productive.’

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:13 am Post

I say I’m sick of it. We all know everyone's opinion. Don’t need to hear it every day between now and release.


Me too.

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:40 pm Post

AmberV wrote:It's coming along nicely but there is still more work to do, if you can't hear that yourself from the data, then take my stating that right then, as a way of twisting your narrative and receiving an update.


Amber, sorry for the slow response, but hoildays and a clumsy oopsie delayed it. I am glad to hear the project is coming along niced and I am glad to have seen the Nov 28 update.

Despite my complaints in forum you have provided and despite the fact I've been supportive of L&L even when I've voiced them, I don't appreciate the unproffessional bits in your response to me, especially at the end.

I never made any attack on your or L&L and I don't believe I've ever had an unreal or inapprorpiate expectation from you or L&L.

But you and some other users here, really do make me feel the "The Enemy". So on that note I apologize to you and L&L if you/they feel I have insulted, belittled or otherwise negatively and unfairly characterized the project. I do mean that sincerely.

And I have read between the lines and can "hear the data" from your post there and you've made it clear you don't want me as a customer. That's fine, so I'll take my leave of your forums and product. You don't need to waste time with a reponse to me.

Please feel free to have this account deleted/banned/disabled to ensure it isn't ever compromised in my absence.

I wish you y'all only the best.

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Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:08 pm Post

This is my first post - Hello! - so why not post it on the battlefield?
Point 1. Use Scrivener to write (v 1.9 Windows). Does that fine. So no complaints.
Point 2. Use iPad, iPhone and Windows PC. Like the old colours and 3d Label backgrounds, so the 'new, clean, up-to-date' Apple look does nothing for me. Been through horrible green IBM monitors, white text on black, amber text on black (nice), CGA and a host of nasty TV monitors. When they came out with a word processor with black text on white (like yer actual paper) - loved it. So Dark Mode? No way! Looks like Windows 2 on a CGA screen. Not so new, then.
Point 3. I like the V3 for Windows - lots of features that I might find useful (but, please, fix that default compilation screen!).
Point 4. Nice cat.
Time to get back to the writing.

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Thu Dec 19, 2019 10:08 pm Post

I have been using Scrivener for years as well. My favorite tool but starting to show it's age. I do keep checking back often and am kind of surprised that it's not out yet but the previous version still does the job. I can understand people's frustration though. These guys don't seem like a big company so I will cut them some slack. It seems like they just want it to be a totally bug-free experience when it does release, especially if people have to pay for the upgrade like myself. I don't expect it until the end of January now. I haven't used the Beta at all. Might give that a try.