Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:13 pm Post
Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:59 am Post
krastev wrote:You can.
Click twice on the index card you want to read
OR
Look at the Inspector -> Notes -> Synopsys
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:21 am Post
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:50 pm Post
Jack Daniel wrote:krastev wrote:You can.
Click twice on the index card you want to read
Maybe in Windows. On a Mac, all that happens is the text disappears and you can type on the card. I don't want to type. Typing is done. Over. I want to shuttle through the text already written.OR
Look at the Inspector -> Notes -> Synopsys
That would imply there is a synopsis. I don't use them, because I can keep what a scene or beat (or a chapter) is about in my head without writing a synopsis. I'm not interested in seeing something I already know, I'm interested in being able to shuttle the text for specificity, without having to leave the cork board to do it.
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:01 pm Post
If you want to have the same text on the index cards as you have inside the file, you'll have to copy the text into the synopsis. There is no automated way to do this
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:06 pm Post
brookter wrote:I agree with everything Krastev said, with one minor caveat..If you want to have the same text on the index cards as you have inside the file, you'll have to copy the text into the synopsis. There is no automated way to do this
It's a good disagreement, though. There *is* an automated way to populate the synopsis from the main text:
Documents > Auto-fill > Set Synopsis from Main Text.
This will copy the entire text to the synopsis -- if you select some text first, it will only copy the selection (the menu item changes accordingly). The full text auto-fill will also work across multiple documents, so you could do the whole book in one go if you want... (I don't think that would be helpful for your current situation, as I explained in my previous post -- it's not a good idea to overload the synopsis, which isn't meant for holding vast reams of text.)
HTH.
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:24 pm Post
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:10 pm Post
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:14 pm Post
Silverdragon wrote:Actually, the auto-fill from main text command doesn't load the entire main text into the synopses, but only the first N characters ( I think about 500.) Like JackDaniel, I prefer to not apply real synopses to any documents save those which are true outline documents, in which case the synopsis is my outline.
@JackDaniel, I recommend the Windows > Layouts > Three-Pane (Corkboard) method suggested by Brookter. I've customised the layout for my own use, but the basic built-in layout did well until I learned enough to understand how I wanted to tweak it.
Hope this helps!
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:28 pm Post
Jack Daniel wrote:
Second, the text I see on the card matches exactly the first couple paragraphs of the actual text. I find that helpful, but it I could scroll the entire text inside the card, that would be even better. Word would begin to look even weaker than it already does ( I only used it under protest, at work),
My best guess would be this: The card defaults to early paragraphs of the text until there is a synopsis written, which then replaces the text. That would at least make sense, working the same way the titles of documents work, where until you type in a title, it uses the first words of the text. Since I have no synopses, it also makes sense why there is no intuitive leap made when I don't see them on the cards. IOW, I am seeing one thing, while you are seeing another, because in my writing, there are no synopses, and in yours, there is.
This would also explain why the text disappears from the card (Grrrr!) when I click on it. Scrivener then thinks 'Oh, Jack wants to write a synopsis now! I'll just move this text out of the way for him!' (Jack does not want to write a synopsis now)
That's all really brilliant, as is nearly everything about Scrivener, but the ability to show the actual text on the cards could be set as a preference, which would work much better for those of us who feel no need to write synopses. Maybe Scrivener 4. Or 3.2
So I'll have to try to sort through your ideas and see what the actual disconnect here is. But I do so appreciate the feedback, these forums are awesome, and so are the posters.
Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:31 pm Post
Jack Daniel wrote:My best guess would be this: The card defaults to early paragraphs of the text until there is a synopsis written, which then replaces the text. That would at least make sense, working the same way the titles of documents work, where until you type in a title, it uses the first words of the text. Since I have no synopses, it also makes sense why there is no intuitive leap made when I don't see them on the cards. IOW, I am seeing one thing, while you are seeing another, because in my writing, there are no synopses, and in yours, there is.
This would also explain why the text disappears from the card (Grrrr!) when I click on it. Scrivener then thinks 'Oh, Jack wants to write a synopsis now! I'll just move this text out of the way for him!' (Jack does not want to write a synopsis now).
Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:52 am Post
Jack Daniel wrote:but the ability to show the actual text on the cards could be set as a preference, which would work much better for those of us who feel no need to write synopses.
brookter wrote:If you did that, then you'd lose all the formatting from the 'main text in the synopses' (italics, bold, colour) -- synopses are plain text. Synopses aren't meant to hold the whole text -- just as you don't (can't!) usually put the whole text of a chapter on the front of a paper card -- they're supposed to hold a brief summary of what it's the main text. Scrivener tries to be helpful by showing the first x words, but it's an indicator as to content, not the content itself. If you want to see the main text as you shuffle the documents around, then you use the other methods we've been suggesting in this thread.
But one other thing for you to consider -- if I've understood what you want to do is just to see the text as you move documents up and down, and you aren't bothered about synopses, why don't you just use the binder and the editor? You can drag and drop documents to their new position (or use cmd-ctl-up/down), while still having full access to the main text.
Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:16 am Post
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