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My advice is based on the impression you have left in that you consider L&L to be cheating you somehow, that you don’t trust them to do ‘the right thing’ by you.
I advise you ask for a refund. And find something else from someone you find more trustworthy in your eyes. There is no reason to be this unhappy with a vendor. Life is much too short.
I’m not sure how it makes developers’ lives easier to deprive them of compensation for their efforts.
Katherine
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The Mac and Windows versions have separate development teams. The issue for the Windows version is not so much diversion of resources by the Mac effort, as the much less accommodating Windows development environment: major parts of the Mac version – including the text system! – use tools that come “for free” as part of Mac OS.
Katherine
At the risk of copping abuse from the usual suspects, I’m sorry, but it’s a long time since I’ve seen so much whinging continue long after the situation has been explained.
- No-one is getting ripped off. As pointed out, with the most generous free trial I’ve seen out there, anyone on the current Win version should have known what the we’re getting.
- The current Win version is a fully functional best in (Win) class application.
- To the Win person who bought a Mac that can’t run Mac V3 because of OS compatibility, 2010 (and some 2009) and later Macs can run Sierra so are Mac V3 compatible, so not sure what you bought, but an 8 year old device is compatible, which is pretty damned good IMHO. If your Mac is 8 yrs old or less and you’re having issues feel free to pm me.
- Yes Win V3 has slipped, yet L&L have guaranteed anyone who purchased the old version after Nov 2017 will get a free upgrade. I’ve yet to see any other software developer offer such a generous free upgrade period.
- Suggesting that L&L had the code over (and put their own people out of work), beggars belief.
- Demanding release of V3 now (another thread) despite being advised of another 6 months or so in beta, again, get real. Who would be first to bitch about bugs in not ready for prime time software.
- Staff from L&L have explained the current situation several times in this thread, yet some are still arguing the toss. Thank goodness it’s only on-line and no actual trees are being killed in the continued argument.
As mentioned several times, V3 Win development is ongoing and the current situation is what it is. Feel free to head off to someone else’s (inferior IMHO) offering if the V3 Win development schedule offends, but suggesting L&L are somehow ripping you off or being less than up front offends (at least me).
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Hi FamilyHandyman,
Was that the bolded red bit above your simple question?
If so, as a Windows user, my answer is: “Yes, it doesn’t make any difference that the Mac version is different than the Windows version.”
Wanna know why? Because I use Windows, and it’s the best writing software I’ve found for Windows. I’ve written dozens of stories with it, and am 100k+ into a novel, so all these supposed missing features haven’t seemed to hurt my productivity.
I don’t own a Mac and have no intention of doing so, so why the frick would I care about the Mac version?
Best,
Jim
The current Win Scrivener 3 beta is neither feature-complete nor stable enough for production use. Both of which you could have discovered for yourself through a brief visit to the Windows Beta forum.
Why on earth would we hold the release back for so much as a nanosecond if we thought it was ready?
Katherine
Huh? The current version of Windows Scrivener is 1.9.9. It was released last October.
Katherine
[b]OMG I’m sorry, I take fully responsibility. I’m sorry. I apologize. You’re right I was crass. I went too far on that one. I agree I did accuse them.
I think I had a bad brain episode today. I’ll get myself stuck on something dumb and it never ends well, just like here today.
I’m really embarrassed. If you don’t mind I’d like to delete all my comments today and slink away. I’ll pay full price for your software. Whenever it comes out this year or next year or whennot.
I’m sorry[/b]
JimRac wrote:
Hi FamilyHandyMan,
It was you. You were being rude. Here are examples:
FamilyHandyman wrote:
Please don't behave like the stereotypical pandering Mac user.
That, in your very first post to the forums. Congratulations on insulting the Mac community.
FamilyHandyman wrote:
What if you buy Photoshop but your OS version is basically Paint?
There, in your second post, you denigrate the Win 1.9 product and the L&L Win dev team.
FamilyHandyman wrote:
Bait & Switch: the action (generally illegal) of advertising goods which are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.
Your third post accuses L&L of using a nasty trick to get customers to buy their product.
I'll stop here, as this thread likely will be deleted, so this is probably a waste of time. But in your first 3 posts you managed to insult Mac users once and L&L twice. So yeah, it's you dude.
Jim
Please have patience with me, I used to be a software developer until I had a brain tumor a few years ago. 2018 UPDATE Had my 2nd tumor! Now on Chemo! Yay! Third time should be the trick (death), so trying to make the most of my time.
Hi mopa5004,
If you want to see where the Windows version is heading, there is a beta in progress.
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=57
Best,
Jim
Why are you linking porn sites in your comments? And why is this comment nearly identical to the end of a completely different user’s comments four months ago?
I know this is an old thread, but the official Scrivener for Windows page says August 20 2017, not November. Yet one of the Scrivener 3 blog posts switches it to November. Which one is correct?
People compare them because they don’t like the idea of paying the same price for the same product and yet having one be functionally and visually inferior to another because of platform choice. I would think tha’t pretty obvious. If there were better options many of us probably would have jumped ship, but lack of competition is never a positive for consumers, so I’m not sure why you’d note that with a smile.
Lack of parity betwen mac and windows is an issue for a only a few programs and there are very reasonable alternatives, though most of the major programs enjoy strong parity (Adobe suite, for one).
If the Windows version were $20 as a nod for always been inferior to the $40 dollar mac version, then you could make a case…
Maybe you don’t agree with the perspective, but pretending it isn’t valid or comprehendible is kind of silly. It’s a pretty simple concept and I’m extremely positive that you’re smarter than that.
Or I could point out that the Adobe Creative Cloud costs more than $50. Per month.
Katherine
Perhaps a little perspective would help? When Scrivener 3.x came out for Mac, the price only went up by $5.
If I remember correctly, the pricing for the Windows 1.x series is comparable to what the pricing for the Mac 2.x series was. Given that the Windows 1.x series ended up being mostly equivalent to Scrivener 2.x, I don’t think that’s an unreasonable amount to charge.
Most software packages that have essentially identical functionality between platforms do so in one of two ways:
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They use a multi-platform development environment from the ground up. While this makes development easier, it tends to lesson the integration with whatever native features your various operating systems offer, without a ton more work for your development team.
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They write their own codebase for key features, like text and graphics rendering. This is the approach that Adobe, Microsoft, et al use. This takes a large development team and a lot of money to throw at the problem, and usually raises the final software price significantly – but it can be worth it because it can lower the costs of support once your product is released. I personally believe this is one of the factors behind the popularity of subscription software models.
Many of the key features of Scrivener come from the fact it is a native Mac app, and KB took advantage of features within the Mac OS and used them in unusual ways (Scrivenings, the package format, etc.) The Windows version is not built off the same codebase – it is really a port into Qt (originally chosen so it could fill in some of the gap between what Mac OS offered and what Windows and Linux offered). The Windows version has to re-write all of the code (in a different programming language) that the Mac version uses, plus write even more code to fill in the gaps between Mac OS and Qt.
With all of that, we’re actually fairly lucky they don’t charge more for the Windows version – it requires twice the number of developers.
A
I guess that explains why Windows PCs are cheaper than Macs. Always visually and functionally inferior. Good of you to point it out. “Maybe you don’t agree with the perspective, but pretending it isn’t valid or comprehendible is kind of silly. It’s a pretty simple concept and I’m extremely positive that you’re smarter than that.”
Seriously, the Win v 1.9 is functionally equivalent. You write, you output.
V3 beta is as close to Mac V3 as Windows allows given L&L resources.
Rather than whinge and demand a cheaper price, perhaps be appreciative that everyone who purchased after late 2017 gets a free upgrade. Point to any other developer offering that great a deal!
Amen, Brother! Can I have a witness?!?