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Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:07 pm Post

:shock: :roll: I think I'll stick to the https://www.theguardian.com/

Orphy, thanks for a very comprehensive reply to my nosey question.
I shall devote some of my time to the Vedic Culture +++ :wink:
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Orpheus wrote:The thing about the NYT is that they are left leaning but pretend to be neutral, whereas Breitbart is upfront about where it stands. At least with the later you know right away what they are up to not so with the former.


Well, the other important difference is that the NYT actually cares whether its articles are true.

And while the New York Times *leans* left, Breitbart is way way out on the far right fringe with the fascists, and proudly so.

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kewms wrote:
Orpheus wrote:The thing about the NYT is that they are left leaning but pretend to be neutral, whereas Breitbart is upfront about where it stands. At least with the later you know right away what they are up to not so with the former.


Well, the other important difference is that the NYT actually cares whether its articles are true.

And while the New York Times *leans* left, Breitbart is way way out on the far right fringe with the fascists, and proudly so.


Except for the NYT Editorials section. They're...very concerning, as of late.
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:31 am Post

devinganger wrote:Except for the NYT Editorials section. They're...very concerning, as of late.


Agreed. The NYTimes' commitment to 'balanced' viewpoints has led their editorial page seriously astray. And IMO their political coverage is entirely too reliant on anonymous sources with personal axes to grind.

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Well, isn't this typical for this user forum? What began with a joke in a comic strip led to a discussion about ... a lot of other stuff that has nothing to do with the comic strip.
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:37 am Post

... but I still wish the forum had more cat emojis
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lunk wrote:... but I still wish the forum had more cat emojis

Steve Bannon loves cats ... well, I think it's cats. It definitely ends in ...ats :?
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Hats? Is he a mad hatter?
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lunk wrote:Hats? Is he a mad hatter? mad hatter.jpg

When y'get t' my age, memory and fantasy can swap roles ... amongst other things :( Anyway, floating out there in the ether, is a vivid TV Image of professor Brian Cox welcoming the viewers to the inaugural switch on, of the Cern Large Haddon Collider. After his detailed and inspirational introduction, and just prior to taking us inside, he pointed out that a certain knowledgeable individual had proffered the thesis that there was a possibility that the envisioned collisions could in fact create a massive Black Hole! Proff Cox looked the camera dead on, and informed his audience that, "Anybody telling you that ... is a **at!"
For the life of me, I can't recall exactly what he said, but he was most emphatic. There could have been a t or a w, or whatever. Memory does it's own thing, at my age :(
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kewms wrote:
Orpheus wrote:The thing about the NYT is that they are left leaning but pretend to be neutral, whereas Breitbart is upfront about where it stands. At least with the later you know right away what they are up to not so with the former.


Well, the other important difference is that the NYT actually cares whether its articles are true.

And while the New York Times *leans* left, Breitbart is way way out on the far right fringe with the fascists, and proudly so.

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tsk tsk, definite name calling. (-: I listen in on both sides and Breitbart users call NYT readers Maoists and NYT readers hurl names that you did. So should I believe that leftist media is Maoist?

I saw this thread on Quora recently https://www.quora.com/How-does-Breitbar ... ews-source

the answer of Fredrik Josefsson a Swede was different. He starts out:

With all the people saying that Breitbart can’t be trusted, it would be nice if they explained why. They could have a look at the top news of Brietbart at this right moment, pick the top 10 articles and point out how they are misrepresenting the issue.


And again my complaint about NY Times is not that they lean to the left, but that they pretend not to lean at all - that is definitely not telling the truth in my book. Whereas Breitbart wears its right of center with a pride and this is their selling point, that they are on the right. You know what you get when go to Breitbart. Not so at the NYTs. Telling your reader what your bias is at the beginning is being transparent. There may have been a time when the NYT was neutral and unbiased but we are now in a different epoch.

I have no dog in the fight as I am not an American have no party allegiance and have not voted since the early 1970s. And I should also say that until recently I very rarely visit the NYTs, now I look there sometimes to see what new unconfirmed rumor is being promoted as news regarding trashing the SC nominee.

What really is obvious is how much Americans hate each now. But, what is surprising is that considering how many guns there are in the USA that it hasn't erupted into political violence...yet. Will it devolve into Wiemar Republic style political street fights and body counts? Any opinion from someone in the US of A?
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vic-k wrote:
lunk wrote:... but I still wish the forum had more cat emojis

Steve Bannon loves cats ... well, I think it's cats. It definitely ends in ...ats :?



Mohammad definitely loved cats. He often kept a kitten with him stashed in his robes, up his sleeves and pockets. Loved to play with the little fur-balls. I can just imagine what his you tube channel would have consisted of. Right there beside Jihad for Dummies, and how to make IEDs, would be a a lot of cute kitten channels.
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Orpheus wrote:
kewms wrote:
Orpheus wrote:The thing about the NYT is that they are left leaning but pretend to be neutral, whereas Breitbart is upfront about where it stands. At least with the later you know right away what they are up to not so with the former.


Well, the other important difference is that the NYT actually cares whether its articles are true.

And while the New York Times *leans* left, Breitbart is way way out on the far right fringe with the fascists, and proudly so.

Katherine


tsk tsk, definite name calling. (-: I listen in on both sides and Breitbart users call NYT readers Maoists and NYT readers hurl names that you did. So should I believe that leftist media is Maoist?


Steve Bannon himself proudly declared Breitbart a "platform for the alt-right." Both he and the site -- which fired him -- are now running away from the label, but it's not "name-calling" to call attention to someone's self-characterization.

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Orpheus wrote:What really is obvious is how much Americans hate each now. But, what is surprising is that considering how many guns there are in the USA that it hasn't erupted into political violence...yet. Will it devolve into Wiemar Republic style political street fights and body counts? Any opinion from someone in the US of A?


I think that if you think "Americans" as a group hate each other, you are probably spending too much time reading Breitbart and comment threads generally.

Certainly there are lots of people on both sides with very strong opinions, and the extremes of both parties would happily kick each others' heads in given the chance. However, those extremes, precisely because they are extreme, attract news coverage wildly out of proportion to their actual numbers. There's a lot of money to be made by feeding people's anger, and a lot of people in and outside the US who see divisions as personally advantageous. Some of those people have temporarily achieved a fair amount of power in the US government.

But Weimar street violence? A second civil war? Nah. We're going through a rough patch, but we'll be fine.

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Well, the other important difference is that the NYT actually cares whether its articles are true.

And while the New York Times *leans* left, Breitbart is way way out on the far right fringe with the fascists, and proudly so.

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tsk tsk, definite name calling. (-: I listen in on both sides and Breitbart users call NYT readers Maoists and NYT readers hurl names that you did. So should I believe that leftist media is Maoist?


Steve Bannon himself proudly declared Breitbart a "platform for the alt-right." Both he and the site -- which fired him -- are now running away from the label, but it's not "name-calling" to call attention to someone's self-characterization.

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Did he call himself a "fascist?" You did. That is what I was referring to. Sorry for not making that clear.

As for the "Alt-right" label I think, and I may be wrong, the reason the are distancing themselves, if that is true, is because the "alt-right" is too all encompassing and some rather unsavory characters were lumped in.
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Did he call himself a "fascist?" You did. That is what I was referring to. Sorry for not making that clear.

As for the "Alt-right" label I think, and I may be wrong, the reason the are distancing themselves, if that is true, is because the "alt-right" is too all encompassing and some rather unsavory characters were lumped in.


Some unsavory characters chose to self-identify as the "alt-right."

When people carry Nazi banners and chant Nazi slogans, I don't think it's "name-calling" to identify them as fascists. To avoid being "lumped in" with such people, one can start by not giving them a platform.

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