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Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:46 pm Post

nontroppo wrote:If someone really wanted the Binder to ape the selection Scrivener would need different highlight colours for each "view" (2 main editors, inspector, quick ref). Then if a doc was selected in more than one "view" you'd need split-shading or a new shade to properly represent where it was viewed (i.e. doc is visible in editor1=yellow AND inspector=red so binder highlight would be orange). :shock:


Imagine what that would look like if you, on top of that, choose Use Label colour in Binder :shock:

It's gonna be very interesting to see what compromises they have come up with.
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:19 pm Post

nontroppo wrote:Um, this fails miserably for me. Select multiple documents in Binder across levels, creating a custom scrivenings "view", then cmd+opt+r and only the first document is highlighted, YET the multiple documents are still combined and editable in the editor!!! There are multiple possibilities of the Binder beyond your simple use case...
I never said anything about selecting multiple documents. What I am talking about here - the only thing I am talking about here, is seeing Scrivener perform automatically what it can already perform using “command-option-R”.

lunk wrote:Is it possible to do the opposite? Split screen. Select multiple documents to create a scrivening in the top half, and then temporarily move focus to the lower half to show something, and still see the initial multi-selection made for the top half when returning focus to the top?
I have not made use of the split screens feature yet. There are so many ways the Scrivener is a great app. Again, all I have suggested is what it already does using “command-option-R”. No more and no less.

nontroppo wrote:What I see is that the binder is additive for a straight selection. If I select 3 documents to view in top-editor, then switch to lower editor and select another 3 docs, the binder shows 6 highlights of the documents split over the two editors. But I can click to a single document in the lower editor and can lose the selection. If someone really wanted the Binder to ape the selection Scrivener would need different highlight colors for each "view" (2 main editors, inspector, quick ref). Then if a doc was selected in more than one "view" you'd need split-shading or a new shade to properly represent where it was viewed (i.e. doc is visible in editor1=yellow AND inspector=red so binder highlight would be orange). :shock:
Ibid.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:12 pm Post

David G. wrote:I never said anything about selecting multiple documents. What I am talking about here - the only thing I am talking about here, is seeing Scrivener perform automatically what it can already perform using “command-option-R”.


Right. But Scrivener needs to behave in a consistent and predictable way when people *do* have multiple documents selected. Multi-document views are not an obscure feature, they're one of the primary reasons why Scrivener exists.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:15 pm Post

kewms wrote:Right. But Scrivener needs to behave in a consistent and predictable way when people *do* have multiple documents selected. Multi-document views are not an obscure feature, they're one of the primary reasons why Scrivener exists. Katherine
OIC. You are saying that, while my idea may have merit for my purpose, three are other uses of the binder where such a suggestion would not make sense? That makes sense now. I am still vitally linked to visual references so, lets see what sort of "compromise" L&L says is coming.

I freely admit I still do not use most of what Scrivener offers. I was feeling intimidated both with my own commitment to the process of writing - the hard work of actually writing (not just talking about writing), and learning to use Scrivener at it's full potential. I started using Scrivener about a year ago for my daily logs, record keeping, notes and so forth. This has allowed me to begin to get past feeling intimidated by it's feature set.

I finally committed to joining a writers group and I had my first meeting with a writing coach to see if it was a fit. I will continue to learn how to use Scrivbener as I continue to work on my first book (yay, finally).

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:01 pm Post

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kewms wrote:Right. But Scrivener needs to behave in a consistent and predictable way when people *do* have multiple documents selected. Multi-document views are not an obscure feature, they're one of the primary reasons why Scrivener exists. Katherine
OIC. You are saying that, while my idea may have merit for my purpose, there are other uses of the Binder where such a suggestion would not make sense? That makes more sense now. I am still vitally linked to visual references so, lets see what sort of "compromise" L&L says is coming.

I freely admit I still do not use most of what Scrivener offers. I was feeling intimidated both with my own commitment to the process of writing - the hard work of actually writing (not just talking about writing), and learning to use Scrivener to it's full potential. I started using Scrivener about a year ago for my daily progress notes, record keeping, project specific notes, and so forth. This has allowed me to begin to get past feeling intimidated by it's feature set.

I finally committed to joining a writers group in my area and I had my first meeting with a writing coach to see if it was a fit. I am actively looking for a small writing critique group. I will continue to learn how to use Scrivener as I continue to work on my first book (Yay, finally).

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:15 pm Post

David G. wrote:
kewms wrote:Right. But Scrivener needs to behave in a consistent and predictable way when people *do* have multiple documents selected. Multi-document views are not an obscure feature, they're one of the primary reasons why Scrivener exists. Katherine
OIC. You are saying that, while my idea may have merit for my purpose, three are other uses of the binder where such a suggestion would not make sense?


Yes, that's correct. And the same applies to most other interface suggestions that people make.

In my experience, the best way to tackle Scrivener's learning curve is slowly. You don't need to know about all of the features now, or ever. Focus on the specific bits that are relevant to what you're trying to do *now.* Happy writing!

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:55 pm Post

David G. wrote:I freely admit I still do not use most of what Scrivener offers. I was feeling intimidated both with my own commitment to the process of writing - the hard work of actually writing (not just talking about writing), and learning to use Scrivener at it's full potential. I started using Scrivener about a year ago for my daily logs, record keeping, notes and so forth. This has allowed me to begin to get past feeling intimidated by it's feature set.


David, if you haven't already done so, i highly recommend you go through the tutorial. I think for someone who has never been exposed to Scrivener that would probably take a couple of hours, but since you've been using it, you would probably get through in an hour. It would be well worth your time.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:06 pm Post

JimRac wrote:David, if you haven't already done so, i highly recommend you go through the tutorial. I think for someone who has never been exposed to Scrivener that would probably take a couple of hours, but since you've been using it, you would probably get through in an hour. It would be well worth your time. Jim
Yes, I have. Although admittedly there are a lot of scrivener tutorials out there. Here is one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HrgXr4MOdo.

For my own reasons, I am a kinesthetic, contextually based and a highly visual, learner. What that means is that I can read the manuals and watch the tutorials (which I have), but until I start actually using the program for a specific purpose, it doesn’t hold much meaning, it wont stick in my brain very long. Thanks for suggesting it though.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:32 pm Post

I think JimRac refers to the tutorial project. Not videos...
The tutorial project is available from within Scrivener itself and is a Scrivener project
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* iOS Scrivener 1 on an iPhone 11 Pro, iPad Air 9.7”, and iPad Pro 12.9”, all running the latest iOS

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:36 pm Post

lunk wrote:I think JimRac refers to the tutorial project. Not videos...
The tutorial project is available from within Scrivener itself and is a Scrivener project
Ah, yes, saw that once too but forgot. Same comments as before, it is something I will continue to acquire as I come to new crossroads. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:45 pm Post

Sometimes it is wise to take a break and play around with the tutorial project, just to get new ideas, new ways to do something with the text you are working on. I found Labels and how to colorcode the Binder that way.
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Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:10 pm Post

Yes, I meant the tutorial project, sorry for not being clear!

You can access it by going to the Help menu in Scrivener and selecting “Tutorial". It's a great way to get some "hands on" experience with functionality you haven't used yet.
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Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:36 pm Post

lunk wrote:Is it possible to do the opposite?

Split screen. Select multiple documents to create a scrivening in the top half, and then temporarily move focus to the lower half to show something, and still see the initial multi-selection made for the top half when returning focus to the top?


Yes, that's an option, but I'd like to see the Back button, and Forward as well, like in Adobe Reader, so you can go forth and forward while clicking on hyperlinks (or links to other elements in the Binder).

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Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:13 pm Post

The history feature (in §8.1.1, Header Bar, pg. 144) should already be working the way you describe, unless I’m missing something about your description of what you expect.

If you mean you’d also like for clicked links to open in the same editor, so that browsing among them is more like a Web browser, then check out the settings in the Behaviors: Document Links preference pane. I prefer to have all links open in the current editor, save for newly created links, which I have the software ignore.
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:06 am Post

Glad I found this conversation. For me, Scrivener 3 has been a step down in usability and organizing my thoughts.

I'm an academic and I use Scrivener mostly to organize my notes for any articles I read or for my ethnographic fieldwork. For my literature, I have my main Scrivener file, which is kind of my extended brain. I write notes or copy-paste sections from articles or books that I've read, so that I can quickly find or remember their main points. It's close to 1500 items as we speak.

With the old version, I would type in a keyword like "community" and have the binder neatly display all my notes that feature this word. It's a great way to organize your thinking prior to writing, to sort of see that "oh yeah, I forgot that article talked about community, too". With this type of work, it was essential that whenever I clicked an item the binder would also focus on that item. I could see what articles were next to it, which would again spark my imagination and help me make connections.

The current system has messed up my workflows. Navigating between items in the binder is not as intuitive, and I've noticed that since installing Scrivener 3 I'm not writing as many notes into the system as I used to.

So yes, I hope a compromise is coming. I know I'm not the only academic who does this type of thing with Scrivener.

edit. yes, I know this is an old topic. But I was forced to migrate from Scrivener 2 very recently.