Ulysses III

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Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:10 am Post

brett wrote:As for why
serpententacle wrote: some people post reviews upon never using a product, or even only scratching the surface of it..


And I was not "posting a review upon never using a product”. I was responding to Brett’s perfectly valid comment about his experience of Ulysses 3, adding my basic agreement with his position while disagreeing on the question of using all the features of an app and on software that requires you to work its way, or, to use a different metaphor culled from a long ago thread in the Linux forum, one “which I have to beat into submission”. Nor was I intending to imply that I presumed Ulysses would come into either of those latter categories — having made it clear that I’d not tried Ulysses, I would never have done such a thing.

I am happy for you and anyone else who have now found that Ulysses 3 suits your needs better than Scrivener does. That I prefer to have my source text and translation open as different panes in the same application interface, rather than two windows opened in the same program — as I used to have with NWP — that is simply a personal preference, and the first feature that wedded me to Scrivener.

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Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:26 am Post

The reason I switched from Scrivener to Ulysses is that it has an iOS app that syncs easily and reliably with the Mac app. The sync between Scrivener and various iOS apps never really seemed to work properly. Files were doubled or deleted etc..
I prefer a minimalist UI so Ulysses works well for me in this respect; Scrivener also worked well for me as it is so adaptable. I mainly used the full screen view.
Also: Ulysses is all Markdown which syncs very, very quickly. Another plus for me.
I like Scrivener very much and I really appreciate Keith's work which I have told him several times. It's just that I needed good syncing.

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Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:36 am Post

I had good experiences with syncing Scrivener with WriteRoom, ByWord or Nebulous Notes via an external folder. Obviously, you have to think plain text/markdown when writing in Scrivener.

The reason why I'm testing Ulysses is that it is gorgeous looking, and Daedalus Touch is an interesting new concept. Plus, it seems integration between Mac and iPad/iPhone was done the right way. And it is the ideal Markdown editor when needed. However, I still feel that Scrivener is a more complete solution (something that might be a minus when you only need a place to write).

If only Scrivener had the Binder selection automatically syncronized with the selected document in the Editor, and used text styles as semantic indicators (rather than just visual embellishments), I doubt I would need anything else. But I would still use Ulysses from time to time for how beautiful it looks.

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Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:32 pm Post

Thank goodness for Ulysses. I've been using it since its reincarnation as Ulysses III and find it the ideal solution for my multi-valent and "weird" writing. It has an elegant interface, uses Markdown and.txt files, and is nimble and nomadic. I have seamless syncing with my iPad, upon which I now do 75% of my work going to my MacBook and external display for working with images and video.

I was an early adopter of Scrivener and had 6 or 8 multi-year projects in it but I cringed every time I launched it. I knew it wouldn't be long before its interface reduced me to near-tears.

I'm happy for all of those who love Scrivener but it just doesn't fit me and the way I work. I extracted what I needed from my Scrivener files and finally threw away the app last month.

Ulysses has, for me, restored the joy of writing.

(Related to using Ulysses, I made the decision "a while" ago to work with .txt files, not proprietary formats, and I started using nvALT to manage all manner of information, notes, workflow notes and course materials for the courses I teach. nvALT also syncs like a dream with my iPad, using Byword and has become my most used app. I followed the method of Michael Schecter of "A Better Mess" and use keyboard shortcuts to assign a topic-title-date name to each file so projects clump together.)

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Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:53 pm Post

My Grandma used to tell me that it was bad manners to p** on the carpet as I walked out the door.
'Listen, some quiet night, when you've shirked your work that day. Do you hear
that distant, almost inaudible clicking sound? That's one of your
competitors, working away in the night in
Paris or London or Erie, PA.'

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Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:20 pm Post

Hugh wrote:My Grandma used to tell me that it was bad manners to p** on the carpet as I walked out the door.

And did your grandma have reasons to tell you that, I mean, in your case? :lol:
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:24 pm Post

Actually, I think it's OK to politely tell Keith and the rest of us why Scrivener didn't work as well as something else for some users. It might help them in planning Scriv's evolution. And no one ever claimed Scrivener would ever be the best tool for everyone, or even for Scrivener users in all cases.

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Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:35 pm Post

Actually, the definition of this subforum states:

Software by Other Folk
Talk about any software you want. Recommend useful programs or discuss the competition (politely to all, please).

This is a very open community indeed! In fact, It's very rare to find a developer willing to host other people's software --and even for competing apps comments in a formal space.
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:47 am Post

Even though I don't use Scrivener at this time (while eagerly waiting for the iOS version) I keep coming back to this forum almost daily as it offers so much useful information about many topics related to writing. This is a great place. We should respect the proprietor of the house and, no, we should not p*** on the carpet.

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Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:02 am Post

serpententacle wrote:Then I began to discover something about the way that I write. I've never been a planner. I would have one central idea (I guess a Writer's Statement) and I would begin my novel heading toward that idea, or even building up around it. It's off the cuff. And the most important thing to me was just writing. Yet often times, while in RTF software, I would find myself spending more time formatting and setting type and forcing outlines, and all these distractions that kept me from writing.


Yes, I hear this occasionally and always find it a little bit odd. There is nothing in Scrivener that forces you to do this. I open it up, pick a template (or not) and just go.

As far as those who say it is best for short pieces... I strongly disagree with that, and I am living proof that it can handle large novels. I even threw in my 275,000 word opus into it, and am giving it a thrice over in the editing process. Ulysses is formable.


Unlike Scrivener, Ulysses cannot handle automatic chapter headings/numbering and the page numbering is a little rigid. It supports a small number of paragraph types and I can't add my own. Although Keith always denies it, Scrivener can compile a book of several hundred pages into different formats without having to use a word processor to typeset a single thing. I started the current book with Ulysses, but when I found that I would have to manually number all the chapter numbers myself, I went straight back to Scrivener.

I'm also not sure about having all my writing projects in a single database, but that is a personal preference more than anything else.

I'm a big fan of the CSS stylesheet system that Ulysses uses, but again, I find that small changes to the layout are a lot quicker in Scrivener.

But the typography in the Ulysses editor cannot be beaten. I'm not sure but I don't think that's a native framework they're using; there's no other app quite like it. I'd love to see it in Scrivener, but I imagine that would be a lot of work.

One more thing... I don't understand why some people post reviews upon never using a product, or even only scratching the surface of it.


That's a fair comment, but if you pick up a new app, the first thing you do is try the most important things you used in your old app. If the new app can't do them then it's an immediate deal breaker.
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:14 am Post

Rayz wrote:I'm also not sure about having all my writing projects in a single database, but that is a personal preference more than anything else.

This is also the main reason I'm not using Ulysses III "in production". I know others find the idea of the centralized database easier, but I don't get the idea. The Finder is already a database - with a powerful classification system, tagging, and intelligent searching. So, why duplicating it, and making access to individual documents so complicate?

On the other side, I admit that the filing system of UIII is fast and effective. The versioning system is nice, but here, again, I find it to be a duplicate of Time Machine (even if more elegant and meaninful, since you can see the current and old text side by side). However, the snapshot system in Scrivener is far superior, in finding the differences for you.

I'm in love for these two chicks. The one is pragmatic and a great worker, the other is smart and nice. Sharing time between them may become a dangerous addiction? Will they abandon me? Will I end like the protagonist of McEwan's Pornography?

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Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:33 am Post

There's a limited public beta of the Ulysses for iPad starting soon.
http://www.ulyssesapp.com/ipad/

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Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:09 am Post

I second the sentiments expressed by rochefore (not p*** on the carpet)... Keith is a hospitable landlord and he and this group has encouraged and fostered the development of many (sometimes competing) products. Speaking of myself, my earlier product Published! grew out of the discussions with the very
friendly community here. Also, being a long time Scrivener user, I loved the cork-board interface of Scrivener. Its influence can be seen in the "Pins" view of MyStacki.com.

(sidenote about the Markdown and Rich-text options-- when developing Mystacki.com, I initially only had markdown. The Idea was that I would be later building iPhone/iPad interfaces and Markdown would be the best option from these devices (no formatting, text only going to and fro etc) My teenage daughter was my first "beta" tester and she declared that "Markdown was no fun" -- she wanted fonts, colors, smilies etc.. so I now have both markdown & rich text as options!)

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I've been beta-testing it, and it's solid—still missing a few features, like word count goals, but they should be there by the time it's released.