Tree - a horizontal outliner

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Mon May 26, 2014 4:15 pm Post

I like it. It makes sense.
http://www.topoftree.jp/en/tree/
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Mon May 26, 2014 5:49 pm Post

Yes. The difference the column structure means is incredible. I knew I had to have it when I saw the first screenshot, and I was not disappointed; it's a totally new "brainstorming feeling" in comparison with traditional outliners (like OmniOutline, for example). I recommend it.

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Mon May 26, 2014 9:26 pm Post

Two others to explore and compare:

Ginko https://gingkoapp.com/
LitLift http://www.litlift.info/

Let's not forget that a spreadsheet
has both rows & columns
for outlining purposes.
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Tue May 27, 2014 1:28 am Post

I've used Tree and I find it interesting. I think it is better for highly structured documents with a timeline- novel, plays etc... , where it is good to have structure and content visible. How are you using it differently than a regular outliner ? What types of documents are you outlining ? How does outlining horizontally change how you process your thoughts and ideas ?

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Tue May 27, 2014 2:15 am Post

Tinderbox has a view like this as well, called "Chart view". For myself, I've found views like this to be useful when there are a lot of small headers and not a lot of child density per-node. It starts to break down a bit with long titles and excessive child counts will waste a lot of screen space. One thing the model has going for it is taking advantage of the modern fetish with widescreen monitors. :)
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Tue May 27, 2014 7:57 am Post

druid wrote:Two others to explore and compare:

Ginko https://gingkoapp.com/
LitLift http://www.litlift.info/

Let's not forget that a spreadsheet
has both rows & columns
for outlining purposes.


Thanks for pointing me at Ginkoapp. It's a similar concept to Tree but more suited to lots of text (& pictures) so good for 'chunking' large blocks of structured text. I've tried using spreadsheets but a lot of fiddling and merging of cells is required.
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Tue May 27, 2014 9:14 am Post

druid wrote:Two others to explore and compare:

Ginko https://gingkoapp.com/
LitLift http://www.litlift.info/


Gingko looks nice; I would buy it if it were an application. But I'm too paranoid to use online word processors. Not to mention that 1 month Gingko costs about as much as Tree for lifetime.

LitLift.info has a lot, but no info about the application at all … :(

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Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 am Post

Here's an in-depth review of Tree by Steve Zeoli - from three years ago, but still applicable, I think.
'Listen, some quiet night, when you've shirked your work that day. Do you hear
that distant, almost inaudible clicking sound? That's one of your
competitors, working away in the night in
Paris or London or Erie, PA.'

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Tue May 27, 2014 2:17 pm Post

AndreasE wrote:Gingko looks nice; I would buy it if it were an application. But I'm too paranoid to use online word processors. Not to mention that 1 month Gingko costs about as much as Tree for lifetime.


My sentiment exactly.

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Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:37 am Post

Tree has now been updated to Tree2, and with a big price discount ($8US) for another couple of days, I think I'm gonna try it.
Unfortunately, because the App Store won't allow demo versions, I had to try writing a story with the old version available on the website, and I found it pretty cool for shorter pieces where maybe Scrivener would be overkill. And I do agree with the comment above that there's something about horizontal view that makes me see the story a little differently.
The only question I have is whether it's spending even that amount if all I'm going to achieve is what I can do already so easily (thanks to years of practice) with Scrivener. Beyond the horizontal view, the other difference is that you can use it as a plain text/Markdown editor, by following this helpful advice. The Tree site also pointed me to a video tutorial by a guy who uses it in conjunction with Scrivener. Anyway, just curious to know how Tree users (either v. 1 or v.2) are liking it and how it complements Scrivener.

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Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:02 am Post

Thanks for the signpost, brett.
'Listen, some quiet night, when you've shirked your work that day. Do you hear
that distant, almost inaudible clicking sound? That's one of your
competitors, working away in the night in
Paris or London or Erie, PA.'