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In my subjective opinion, Vonnegut is not awfully good

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:33 am
by greenmorpher
Vonnegut sucks. Boringly. So it goes. :mrgreen:

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Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:48 pm
by druid
To quote Henry D. Thoreau,

"It is not all books that are as dull as their readers."

8)

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:43 pm
by PJS
Then again, there are those who might say the same about a writer or a publisher who -- unbidden, unprovoked, and undocumented -- cast aspersions on another writer.

In which company I find myself.

Phil

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:45 pm
by vic-k
greenmorpher wrote:Vonnegut sucks. Boringly. So it goes.


As that great pseudo French Cod-Philosopher, Le D, would respond:
MON CUL!! :shock:

POO-TE-WEET!!
Take care
Fluff

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:32 am
by flow
greenmorpher wrote:Vonnegut sucks. Boringly. So it goes.

Amen.

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:29 pm
by druid
Dear Noobs with Facile Opinions,

Check this out. http://www.newsweek.com/id/143739
Then ask yourself if you lived as much, or wrote as well, at 23.

D.

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:48 am
by flow
no wonder his writing sucks.

and yes to both questions.

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:40 am
by PJS
Opinions are by nature subjective; unless they are on the lunatic fringe, they are difficult either to prove or to disprove.

To be accepted for serious evaluation in the marketplace of ideas -- academia, coffee shop, pub, on-line forum -- an opinion generally must meet either or both of the following.

1 -- It strikes a responsive chord.

2 -- It comes in an attractive format.

As Alexander Pope put it, in a context only slightly askew, "True wit is nature to advantage dress'd, what oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed."

An example: I walk into a party and say, "I have just returned from a week in country A, and found the place a disappointment. The weather was too warm, the topography unvarying, and the people less friendly than I was led to expect. I'd far rather," I say, "visit country C, with its cooler weather, picturesque vistas, and cheery inhabitants."

Other guests can agree or disagree, pointing out what they consider the strengths or weaknesses of my argument, and adding more factors to the mix.

I have, in short, inaugurated a discussion. A debate. Perhaps even an argument.

Another example. I walk into a party and say, "Country A is the world's outhouse. Deal with it."

Even those who agree with me may hesitate before responding, unsure whether my purpose was to inaugurate discussion or merely to draw attention to myself.

Phil

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:13 am
by kewms
PJS wrote:Opinions are by nature subjective; unless they are on the lunatic fringe, they are difficult either to prove or to disprove.


Please do not feed the trolls.

Thank you.

Katherine

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 am
by vic-k
kewms wrote:Please do not feed the trolls.

Thank you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

rat

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:17 pm
by flow
kewms wrote:Please do not feed the trolls.

Thank you.


LOL.

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:15 am
by Jaysen
kewms wrote:
PJS wrote:Opinions are by nature subjective; unless they are on the lunatic fringe, they are difficult either to prove or to disprove.


Please do not feed the trolls.

Thank you.

Katherine

But I am HUNGRY

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:34 am
by vic-k
Jaysen wrote:But I am HUNGRY


Try suffering in silence!
Fluff

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:23 am
by flow
i remember suffering through a particularly painful piece of crap he wrote. in those days, i would stick with a book for a pretty long time waiting for it to redeem itself.

it was awhile after that before i even suffered to give the author another chance. and you know, i think it was slaughterhouse 5 or one of his other 'celebrated' popular books that i attempted to read.

drivel.

but thank you, druid, for pointing out that link and that hypothesis. i have to say, that may well be the exact reasons that he has absolutely nothing to say to me. i just can't believe that anyone likes reading his stuff, but to each his own.

greenmorpher, what insufferable monstrosity of v's did you have to wade through?

Re: Vonnegut sucks

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:31 am
by druid
flow wrote:i have to say, that may well be the exact reasons that he has absolutely nothing to say to me.


Sure. You can think whatever you wish.
But you're not describing V or his books, only your own inability to value them.
Not sure why you need to be so arrogant and hostile about it, however.
Henry James once gave some good advice to a young writer:
Try to be someone upon whom nothing is ever wasted.