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What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:15 pm
by phoenixloop
Hey there --

I'm doing the beta testing thing and have converted my current projects to the new format. I just realized that the current version expires in about a week. I want to make sure that I'm going to be able to keep working!

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:23 pm
by devinganger
L&L typically makes a new beta version available around the time the old one expires, for the length of the beta testing period. Don't be alarmed! :)

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:52 pm
by garpu
And even if they're late, if you keep Scrivener open all night, it'll be fine the next morning. That having been said, it's *rare* that there wasn't a fresh beta at least a week before the expiration during the 1.0 beta phase. :)

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:11 am
by Mick
phoenixloop wrote: and have converted my current projects to the new format.


You like to live on the edge. Kind of a gutsy thing to do with the beta, Make sure you're keepin' backups!

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:48 am
by garpu
Mick wrote:
phoenixloop wrote: and have converted my current projects to the new format.


You like to live on the edge. Kind of a gutsy thing to do with the beta, Make sure you're keepin' backups!


Absolute worst case, all files are saved as rtf files within the Scrivener project folder.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:50 am
by Mick
I know, but Lit 'n' Latte did warn folks that the initial beta was more of an alpha and major projects probably shouldn't be converted just yet. Also I think compile isn't fully functional? Or maybe I'm out of date with that info. Could be a stumbling block depending on your project.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:52 pm
by rdale
garpu wrote:
Mick wrote:
phoenixloop wrote: and have converted my current projects to the new format.


You like to live on the edge. Kind of a gutsy thing to do with the beta, Make sure you're keepin' backups!


Absolute worst case, all files are saved as rtf files within the Scrivener project folder.

The compile function isn't fully implemented, and then there are almost certainly going to be bugs when it is. Recovering data through the tedium of finding all the .rtf files, arranging them in the right order, and importing their contents into a standard word processor is hardly an ideal way to circumvent whatever features are still missing from this not-quite-a-beta version.

During the Mac beta, I triggered a bug that caused new keywords to be replaced by older ones after assigning them to a document. I was lucky in that the interface changed the keyword immediately, instead of only changing it after selecting the document again, so I was able to spot it before I wasted a lot of my time. But that's just one example of data that cannot be recovered by trawling through the internal structure of Scrivener--not even a backup would have helped me untangle the mass of incorrect keywords mingled with good ones. I might have had to erase thousands of keywords and then started over if the bug had been harder to spot.

Since the project was in support of a hobby, and not one that had to produce a document for someone else, I took that risk (also, new features made v3 very attractive for its use-case), but I would never have done so if I had any deadlines, or if I was trying to do anything I couldn't live without.

I'm sure they're doing everything they can to avoid bugs that could result in permanent data loss, but that was also true of the Mac beta, and it was far more advanced than the Windows beta is now. .In fact, I waited until last night to convert all my remaining v2 projects to the v3 format using the Mac version.

In short: I agree with Mick, and urge caution with important or time-sensitive work

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:11 am
by pcgeekesq
With the impedning expirationof the current beta, the date of the next beta release draws nigh. That and the launch of SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket are the two things I'm most looking forward to in the next ten days. :)

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:36 am
by Eusorph
Will you release the next beta today or should I export my project back to standard Scrivener?

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:04 am
by Mick
It expires on the 31st. Bit early for panic stations, methinks.

Eusorph wrote: or should I export my project back to standard Scrivener?

That's not possible. You can't convert a project from Scriv 3 back to Scriv 2. Another reason why the developers suggested not using 3 for any major projects.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:57 am
by Eusorph
Hey Mick,

Jan 31 is tomorrow or are we on different calendars?
As for the rest, don't worry, I'm not so dumb not to know that.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:22 pm
by devinganger
Mick wrote:That's not possible. You can't convert a project from Scriv 3 back to Scriv 2.


If you have Scrivener 3 for Mac, which uses the same format as Scrivener 3 beta for Windows, it is most certainly possible.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:53 pm
by MimeticMouton
Beta 2 runs through the 31st, but the new beta should be up shortly, we're just getting together the builds.

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:56 pm
by pcgeekesq
MimeticMouton wrote:Beta 2 runs through the 31st, but the new beta should be up shortly, we're just getting together the builds.

Yay!

Re: What's happening after January 31st?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:54 pm
by Dan_____
Well. if you work cross-platform using the Windows beta is not gutsy, it's essential. Mac has already converted the projects. The beta is the only way to work on them. In light of that it's nerve racking to get the new beta on the very day that the previous one expires. That's what happened last month and again, we're only day away from zero-hour and no update in sight nor any info from L&L.

This would all be moot if they did away with expiration or set them 6-12 months in the future. I'm not exactly who or what they think they are guarding against. The biggest risk, IMHO, is making people look for alternatives, not that someone is going to steal something.