No scrivener iOS app in my app-store

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Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:48 pm Post

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I live in Israel and Scrivener is not available at the App store.
Can something be done?

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Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:25 am Post

Unfortunately Apple does not provide tax and legal services to all of the stores they sell software in. So the best way to get Scrivener on your local store, if you find yourself outside of that, is to ask Apple to provide these services to developers in your country. Sorry for that! But it’s really a matter of practicality, in your case it’s just one country you want it in, but from our side there are many dozens of countries they don’t fully support and as a tiny company we don’t have a team of accountants setting up the necessary paperwork to handle taxation and such.
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:48 am Post

Thank you for the response, but I must admit it is very disappointing. You probably know about these legal constraints from Apple and about your capacity to overcome them much more than I do. Nevertheless I know that I purchased lot of apps from small companies, writing apps among them, and I do wish Scrivener could have been as one of them. Scrivener is not just another iOS app but a complementary app to a given computer app, which is used among of a lot of people outside the UK and USA. It is also not just a small ad-hoc writing solution for iOS machines but a revolutionary system of writing, as big as, if not bigger, than Word and Pages, and in that sense it is almost unbearable think that I cannot have an access to it because of tax issues. I'm just explaining here why the disappointment, and I do understand the constraints and totally grateful for all that has been done already. It is just that the functionality of Scrivener and it profile as basic universal app is so much bigger than the size its company.
Maybe all I wanted to get as a response is something more like "we will try to resolve this problem in the future" than "sorry, can't do".
I guess I'll just have to continue as usual and schlep my big heavy laptop with me... :wink:
Any way: Thanks.
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:06 am Post

Eager for the iOS app (it is so important as to be the main consideration of not buying a new Macbook) I did manage now to downloaded it using a european friend's apple account. So I am very happy now :D. Nevertheless it is not a solution for the major part of users :(.

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Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:31 am Post

nun, there may be a possible solution for you -- if it works.

This would be to use a VPN (virtual private network), which can change your apparent location (choose the US) and sign into the App store there.

You would have to use a US-capable credit/debit card, and I would have to say there could be multiple possibilities of problems, but once you turn the VPN off, you'll be back in Israel, and should just be able to sign in again to your account there.

I _think_ a Scrivener app that you manage to install will still work, but again this is speculative, thus a gamble. In any case, you'd have to use the VPN again to get updates, would be pretty sure.

A VPN service that I would trust as far as any, who are quite successful and which I use as well as speak often enough with the technical people is CyberGhost. You can get a free account for this purpose, and use it on one device at a time.

Separately, if you like the service, they will provide you too many opportunities to upgrade ;) -- hold out for a heavily discounted ($20/yr total etc.) deal if you find you're interested in this, or tell them to discontinue the messages by link at the bottom if you're not.

As you may know, people use VPNs often to watch sports or a film not available by Balkanization of the internet by these companies. Israel is certainly a solid place, and I have no idea why Apple makes trouble for Scrivener, but here's hoping this or another way will help you get it. As it's really good, can promise.

Kind regards,
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Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:40 am Post

nun wrote:Eager for the iOS app (it is so important as to be the main consideration of not buying a new Macbook) I did manage now to downloaded it using a european friend's apple account. So I am very happy now :D. Nevertheless it is not a solution for the major part of users :(.


Ah, didn't notice. Great you got it, and that's certainly the European way.

Which I miss. a lot, often from each day. Another story ;)

Maybe the story I wrote, with its risks, will help someone else.

Kind regards,
Clive

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Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:27 pm Post

Thank you Clive so much for your answer and good will.
In fact if one has already an American or european (including UK for now :wink: ) credit card, then no VPN is needed. In that case one just can reset his Apple ID properties and change his location and payment details, or instead create a new Apple ID setting it that way. Doing so he or she will be automatically directed to the App-Store that corresponds to the new location. My way of downloading the app using a friend couldn't have been successful without using my friend credit card (a close friend...). Hence, the payment method is the real main obstacle here.
(As for Israel being "solid" maybe it is true economically, but in other aspects I don't now if I would have used this exact word... :wink: :) I guess it is less about being solid and more about commercial agreements between countries that have consequences concerning tax issues and other formalities. I'm really not an expert but those kind of problems, not necessary in the apple case, are a head for the British folks if the Brexit will be executed)

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("nun" or "noon" is the hebrew way to pronounce the hebrew letter נ, which is the equivalent to N and also the first letter of my name.)

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Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:59 pm Post

Netanel, thank you as kindly for your generous and also quite interesting reply.

By the way, I had your abbreviation pronounced correctly, reading it as anglicized Korean ;) - a language learned in other times past.

Very good on not needing the VPN, just area-valid Credit Card; and I sort of knew that, actually, having done similar things from early days with life in Britain and on the Continent. But you lose easy moves sometimes, over a period, until reminded....

I am interested and take your point about Israel. No, with the intensities still present for certain networks of threat, nothing can be taken for granted. Yet for all its humanity and human problems inside, one must be impressed that Israel functions, and keeps its own network of protections capable, always with natural issues about the magnitude of this. There is nothing easy about it, and one may criticize I think you understand, at the same time as having respect.

I'm re-reading an interesting book (which ones are not...) by John le Carré, 'A Most Wanted Man'. Besides enjoyment, this is specifically as part of a study I've made of this author towards own novels, which will not be spy stories or science fiction, but will be near future, especially Europe, and trying hard to involve Americans (which I am, if not particularly culturally) for all the satisfactions of that. The center is living in a world we now see disrupted, criticality but more than that in action by the complexity systems view (santafe.edu). Well, I cut off more I would say in less public conversation, but it is an interesting route....

In return, the interest you might also find in this recent enough le Carré episode is also the one I think at the center of my question that prompted looking again, that _this book_ suddenly gained a lot of praise among all the great ones, from Americans who had resisted angrily before, such as the New York/Jewish-influenced media.

I think that is because he goes into exploration of certain facets of the Islamic mind which may be found even or especially in their generally quite wise 'good man' and constructive lay community leaders. To degree true, understanding it may after reflection and our best contemporarily aware effort lead to better results for all concerned. I don't say it will be easy, nor that I have such an answer, but it is the kind to fit what the best work on, not all necessarily in the field as the very brave Scott Atran who has physically engaged terrorists, but surely using his clear insights from this also as fulcrum in the appropriate sector, which is not ordinary Islamic life as we know. What 'men' are capable of, and on why when they are.

How do you bring an otherwise laudable culture into what Europe learned about itself the hard way, a century ago, for the benefit of them as well as ourselves? Of course this must begin with due respect, which as with our mature respect for mature individuals, must enter the hard opposites ever to be found, as Le Carré's 'informants' present in the novel gradually with his excellent calibration do. I leave it to you to trace this path if you think you would like it -- as I suspect you would, from your manner and courtesy.

Thank you, Netanel, for all, of which there was quite a lot in the message ;), hopefully appreciated in a proper way.

With best regards,
Clive

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Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:07 pm Post

Hello Clive,
I'll be honest and admit that I never read Le Carré's books (it not my usual kind of reading materials). Nevertheless, I've seen and liked a lot of the TV and cinema adaptations of his books, including the 2014's "A most wanted Man". So I think I can understand what are you trying to say via this reference but I'm sure that there is much more into it regarding Le Carré's way of developing the Characters and other subtleties in the issue of confronting terror in that book. Who knows, maybe I'll find my self reading in the coming future it thanks to you.

I do have a lot to say about this issue and this is really not the place for it. I'll just say that in my eyes terror is not the real issue here, certainly not in Israel (it is an issue of course, but not the real threat on our future, more of a symptom to the problem maybe). To us, and in that I represent a common left wing approach in Israel, the real question is about two population in a territorial conflict trying (unsuccessfully on the short term but yes with some progress on the long) to make hard decisions about their future, while in the meanwhile they have to live under too much fears, constrains, exposed nerves, uncertainty, despair, tendency of some to drawn into radical solutions, putting lot of their personal, social, and political energy in that mess (and these are all right for both sides). As an Israeli I see first of all our responsibility to end this conflict quicker as possible (not necessarily the responsibility of creating it. in that matter are both side are not "clean" any more). I don't believe that there is a real cultural or political-culture gap between the two societies, I'm against who ever thinks that terrorism is an essential character of a society, and that in any case terror, as I said, is not the crux of the matter but a side-effect of many other things that are not dealt by all of the players in world politics.

Having said already too much, specially for such a casual correspondence and on this forum, let me end my response with something that is related deeply to Le Carré: a smiley! :wink:

Best regads
Netanel

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:01 am Post

Hello Netanel, and just to say, I only found your reply this evening; enjoyed to consider what you wrote.

I think a central pathway in A Most Wanted Man is much in alignment with what you may be saying about _reaction_ to terror. Also I must say that the television movie of it really didn't do justice, if this seems to have been well supported by the original author (and his wife). I think he felt it might do as much good as the British television takes on the earlier novels did, and perhaps reach more persons this way. I was very disappointed though with the woman playing the young lawyer; she is a Canadian who does have the look of a certain German young woman, and the manners, but these are not at all of the person in the story, and this is quite important.

I also much recommend the book for the view delivered of how a quite generally good man could support evil. This is psychologically acute, while the matter was kind of slipped over in the film. I am old enough and experienced enough in the world to understand how we must pay attention to such delving if we are ever to untangle the things we may wish to, and that is all I should say here, as you.

Just one last thing I would mention, that in fact I had a little involvement with perhaps something of your group in Israel, while living in Switzerland and working in high-level corporate education, kind of a new face on that. One of our partners became a friend, and she called me up one day as the trouble was spooling up, asking if I wanted to try to take on something she'd started with a Palestinian university, because she could no longer do it with the chill in her own professional environment. I made an overture, but there was too much distance and cultural question for this to work. It did get me interested to find out about more programs between academics, I would have to say with disappointing pictures available in the materials and descriptions from meetings.

Whether you are talking about 'Western' countries breaking down to create populist factions which threaten all humanistic gains since modernity, or 'streets' of dissatisfaction where some come to pride themselves in brutal rebellion, I think we have a very tough problem on our hands now. The answers seem to me in spheres rather different from the political, and again, that's as much as I should say in a place like this.

Best fortune, Netanel.

Kind regards,
Clive

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:09 pm Post

This thread reminds me why I have yet to leave the forum... A technical issues "devolves" to a civil discussion on a hot political topic and NO ONE has been rude.

Thank you for the reminder that reasons to read the threads in areas that aren't frequented by Vic-k remain.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:45 pm Post

Yo, do not dis the great and illustrious, ever magnanimous and fantastical force to reckon with that is the great and illustrious.... vic-k

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:01 pm Post

yosimiti wrote:Yo, do not dis the great and illustrious, ever magnanimous and fantastical force to reckon with that is the great and illustrious.... vic-k

You misunderstand. Search "scrivenerati+3". Go way back to page 3. You'll see the exact phrase. You may understand a little better.

The forum has changed much over the years. I miss the old days.
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Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:47 am Post

Yeah I tried searching for your pointer but still am confused over what exactly you are talking about.

From what I understand Vic-k is bat shiet crazy and his comments generally confuse the heck out of a lot of people but I've come to respect his ways...hasn't it always been this way?

I think it being nostalgic about the past is just another way to not appreciate the present.

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Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:57 am Post

yosimiti wrote:Yo, do not dis the great and illustrious, ever magnanimous and fantastical force to reckon with that is the great and illustrious.... vic-k
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