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Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:48 pm Post

The Dropbox folder which you see in Finder is just as local on your machine as any other folder. The only difference is that it automatically stores a copy on the Dropbox hard drive somewhere in the world. Your original is thus stored in a folder on your Mac named "Dropbox". It will sit there even if you never connect to any network. The day you connect to a network it is copied to a hard drive at Dropbox HQ, resulting in you being able to download it to another computer.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm Post

lunk wrote:The Dropbox folder which you see in Finder is just as local on your machine as any other folder. The only difference is that it automatically stores a copy on the Dropbox hard drive somewhere in the world. Your original is thus stored in a folder on your Mac named "Dropbox". It will sit there even if you never connect to any network. The day you connect to a network it is copied to a hard drive at Dropbox HQ, resulting in you being able to download it to another computer.

... and to clarify, the Dropbox FOLDER is just a folder. The Dropbox sync software is what monitors that folder, just like backup software monitors a hard drive. The backup medium is dropbox.com's servers, but your local copy is always local first, and then it's backed up to dropbox.com. The only major difference is that if you make a change to the folder's contents on another computer/device, those changes are copied back to your local Dropbox folder too.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 pm Post

Good clarification!
Dropbox is just a word, and it means different things depending on context. It can be a folder on your own hard drive, named Dropbox, or it can be an app on your computer, or it can be a company providing services, etc.

It may come as a surprise to some people, but files stored "in the cloud" are not really stored in a cloud, up in the sky somewhere, floating around on thin air. It's all simply copied to someone else's computer's hard drive. So it's not even really "stored" somewhere else. It's just that there is a copy somewhere else.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:13 pm Post

You should also all keep in mind that Scrivener has lots of backup options. On the Mac you can set it to backup everytime you close the project and to backup before syncing. This is a super safety net.

Just don't open a project on a second machines before you have closed the other on. This must by any means cause a sync conflict. And sync conflict does not mean the syncing went bad and files got lost. Sync conflict means that there are files from the project on one machine and files from the project on the other machine and Scrivener can't tell which has the priority because none of the projects is newer as a whole. And because of that these files are put into a special sync conflict folder. So even in this case nothing gets lost.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:20 pm Post

metamancer wrote:
lunk wrote:No!

If you want to work on different computers you can't have the files local on one of them. How do you think the second computer could read the hard drive on the first computer?


Understood. But I am talking about the difference between the main/original as primary versus a working copy. having your original/primary project stored "in the cloud" is not what I consider to be the safest practice, IMHO. I consider Dropbox to be a work/scratch/backup space, not a place I would ever fully trust storage of important documents. My local drive is backed up to separate servers, via LAN and WAN, which are far more secure than a third-party solution, like Dropbox. I guess I am going to have to force backups of Dropbox folders now.


I just use dropbox (it does keep a local copy on the mac) and the dropbox folder is included in time machine backups and weekly super duper clones.

If you really want two copies on your mac, maybe use dropbox as scrivener sync is designed to, but also do regular backups of your projects to another folder. I think that trying to get too fancy trying to sync multiple versions is a recipe for disaster. Or at least confusion.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:51 pm Post

I ran into the same problems too. Saving it from your MacBook into the Dropbox folder has to be very specific. Open your Dropbox folder. Go to the Apps folder your iOS version should create. Make sure you put your projects into the Scrivener folder within the apps. That was my biggest problem.

The iOS app looks great, but I don't think they made this process very intuitive. I'm sure a lot of newer users are going to be extremely confused, especially if the iOS Scrivener is their first introduction to the software. Hopefully they can post a video on the site or within the app's tutorial.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:56 pm Post

I'm having the same problem.

silviu.gherman wrote:I'd be happy to look at Projects if I knew where they were.

The only thing that I can do from this first screen is tap to create new projects. I just want to open the project that was synced previously using the desktop version.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:02 pm Post

I've done all of this. Now when I go to "drag projects from Dropbox" theres nothing to drag, it just asks me to make a new project. Shouldn't my project that I've placed in the Dropbox/Apps/Scrivener folder be draggable?

I'm very frustrated.

kyledlarson wrote:I ran into the same problems too. Saving it from your MacBook into the Dropbox folder has to be very specific. Open your Dropbox folder. Go to the Apps folder your iOS version should create. Make sure you put your projects into the Scrivener folder within the apps. That was my biggest problem.

The iOS app looks great, but I don't think they made this process very intuitive. I'm sure a lot of newer users are going to be extremely confused, especially if the iOS Scrivener is their first introduction to the software. Hopefully they can post a video on the site or within the app's tutorial.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:05 pm Post

NorthTexasGirl wrote:I've done all of this. Now when I go to "drag projects from Dropbox" theres nothing to drag, it just asks me to make a new project. Shouldn't my project that I've placed in the Dropbox/Apps/Scrivener folder be draggable?


There's no dragging in the iOS app. Have you tapped the sync icon in iOS and set up dropbox pointing to the same dropbox folder you used to save the project on the desktop?

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:07 pm Post

On what device are you trying to drag your project? If it's saved to the folder on Dropbox specifically created by the iOS app when you linked to Dropbox, then it should show up automatically on the iOS device. While working on the iOS device, dragging the project out of the Dropbox project folder stores it on the iPad, and thus it won't sync

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:10 pm Post

BookBoy wrote:
There's no dragging in the iOS app.


That's not quite accurate. You can drag, indeed that's one of the ways you move projects created on the iOS device to the Dropbox folder. Though when you create a new project you are given the option of saving to the Dropbox folder or on the iPad.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:13 pm Post

Oh yeah, the dragging between dropbox and locally stored on iOS. When I said "no dragging", I forgot about that.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:50 pm Post

I'm not quite sure what you mean there. There is no original vs working copy. Each copy is exactly the same (once synced) - there's a copy on your iOS device, a copy on your Mac (or Windows machine), and a copy on Dropbox.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:14 pm Post

yosimiti wrote:It constantly creates conflict files when there are no conflicts. Very messy. When I save from Scrivener desktop, it makes the changes to the file in the dropbox folder. (dropbox/apps/scrivener). But when I open the same file in Scrivener for iOS, it says that there are conflicts (even when there are none), and that it's going to create a conflict folder. I now have three conflict folders even when there are no conflicts. The same is true when I edit the file in Scrivener iOS. I edit the file, save it to dropbox, but then when I open the same file on my desktop, it says that there are conflicts and that it will again create conflict files. All these conflict files are adding up and it's making the whole process very, very messy.


Are you *trying* to create conflicts?

That is, if you have the iPad version and the desktop version both open at once, and hop back and forth between them without syncing, you are extremely likely to get conflict files. This might be an appropriate thing to do if, say, you are trying to test the sync and conflict resolution features, but is it really a realistic use case?

To avoid conflict files, be sure to allow Dropbox to finish syncing on whatever platform you are using before switching to another platform. Personally, I recommend closing the desktop version when not actually in use, but that shouldn't be necessary if you're alert to Dropbox's status updates.

FWIW, I've been using the beta version for over a month, and I've encountered one synchronization conflict.

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:41 pm Post

Give him a break we have the app there will be teething problems and patience is needed , but its not 24 hours yet and I am guessing there are some tired guys there. It will be sorted I trust these guys completely.
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