spg wrote:… but have found parallels access to be remarkably efficient…
I would like to echo this observation.
Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:29 am Post
Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:39 am Post
Ahab wrote:Touchy touchy.
Only a piece of software isn't a physical object. Windows charges for updates for the OS and has done so for years and angered quite a few people in the process. Note that OS X updates are now free. Once you've purchased a relatively expensive piece of software then upgrades, in my opinion, should be nominal at best.
And no,it's not a Zen question. It's a practical question. And a not unreasonable one to boot…
So, $45 (or whatever it is these days) for Scrivener is expensive? The minor upgrades of Scrivener have always been free. The major upgrades, v2.0 and the someday v3.0, cost money--roughly as much as dinner for two. How else can the programmer be compensated? What's his incentive for spending endless hours coding in his garret?
Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:01 am Post
Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:08 am Post
Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:03 pm Post
mdmullins wrote:Only a piece of software isn't a physical object.
mdmullins wrote:That said, I rarely pay for software at all.
Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:24 pm Post
lunk wrote:About upgrades vs purchases...mdmullins wrote:Only a piece of software isn't a physical object.mdmullins wrote:That said, I rarely pay for software at all.
Okay, so this is not really a question of whether your purchase of Scrivener in the past should entitle you to free software for ever, but more that you do not like paying for software?
The fact that software is not a physical object has nothing to do with it. Neither are movies you watch, or when you get a haircut. Maybe getting a haircut is a good analogy? You do it fairly regularly, but still you don't expect to get it for free, do you? Or even with a substantial discount on the basis that you claim that this being your second visit to the same hairdresser makes it a subscription?
Was it a fair question? Absolutely! Was it a fair answer from Keith? Definitely!
You don't have to upgrade. Stick to the version you have paid for. It's eternally for free now!
Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:34 pm Post
KB wrote:(I really worry about the sustainability and future of small, indie software companies given the growing, unrealistic expectation that all software should be free or just very cheap and then with free updates for life.)
Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:39 pm Post
mdmullins wrote:Which was I think is implied in the original question to begin with. There is an assumption here that some of the answers to these questions are obvious and that asking the question is somehow stupid. But consider, you've "purchased" the software. Will it stop functioning properly at some indefinite point in the future? When? These are normal questions. You put money into something, you have a right to ask the questions.
mdmullins wrote:Allow me to stir the pot one last time and ask for clarification. So I will need to re-purchase Scrivener at some point in the future? Is this more a subscription than an actual purchase then?
Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:07 am Post
Did you actually purchase Scrivener or did you purchase a lease to use Scrivener? Take a look at Microsoft's licence conditions, for example, and you will see that someone who hands over money for one of their products has not purchased it but has a lease in exchange for a one-off payment. It isn't even an lease in perpetuity as the right to pass that iicence on to someone else is limited. You dispose of the machine and your right to the licence goes too. You buy a second machine you do not have the right to use the licenced product on the new machine.mdmullins wrote:Allow me to stir the pot one last time and ask for clarification. So I will need to re-purchase Scrivener at some point in the future? Is this more a subscription than an actual purchase then?
Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:30 am Post
Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:45 pm Post
Thanks for the legal clarification. Doesn't change the situation though that whatever it is we buy from L&L or any other commercial software company does not provides rights of ownership or of continued maintenance.pigfender wrote:Technically it's not a lease (for several reasons, but the primary one is that you don't enjoy exclusive possession of the underlying property / asset). A license is less than a lease which is less than freehold. You can have a license in tangible property / real estate too.
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