I don't like it. :(

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:57 pm Post

The functionality is there, sure. It's just as practical as the last version. I love the templates we've seen so far. But 90% of my comfort with a program is how it looks and I HATE the icons. I mean REALLY HATE. I hate the red outline of the research icon, I hate the tacky new toolbar at the top and it's tacky little bubble-cons that look like they belong on an old, cheap version of Windows.

I like what you've done with the toolbar across the bottom. I'm warming up to the Daily Target business. The templates are awesome. But the toolbar at the top used to be so beautiful!! Why did you change it!?!?

Is there going to be a way to NOT upgrade to the new version when it becomes available? I really think I'm going to be happier with the older version...WHICH CHANGED MY LIFE, by the way. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :)

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:11 pm Post

I can't help you with the toolbar, and I'm not sure what a bubble-con is, but you can change the folder icons to whatever you want.

(And I think upgrading is optional.)

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:17 pm Post

You can also hide the toolbar with the little white button on the upper-right side of the window.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:18 pm Post

2.0 is a paid upgrade. You do not have to buy it. You do not have to use it.

One thing to keep in mind is that 1.5 can not read 2.0 projects. You will need to cut and paste any updates you made in 2.0 into a running instance of 1.5. You can have both installed and running on your system at the same time which will make it easier. If you need help with that let me know (PM or public, entirely up to you).
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:25 pm Post

Hiding the toolbar...Great trick! I had no idea that was there and I like it! Thank You!

I bought the license with the 2.0 upgrade included...that's why I'm concerned about it doing so automatically. I've got both versions running simultaneously right now so that I can play with the new features but still plot out my NaNo novel in the older version I'm more comfortable with.

I definitely see what you mean about taking a project from 2.0 back to 1.5...I just tried it and it was a mess! Will be double sure to keep 1.5 back-ups of anything I import to 2.0. Thanks for the heads up!

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:26 pm Post

I love the new icons. Very clean, very professional.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:32 pm Post

When you import a file into 2.0 scriv will create a backup for you. Just remember to look for the .backup file.

A quick thought: Aesthetics are very important to the creative mind. The problem is that not all creative minds are the same. What may be a pleasing aesthetic to one mind may be a creativity killing displeasure to a different mind. This is complicated by UI design standard and interface trends. While L&L (with whom I am not affiliated in any way other than a user) more than caters to its user base, there is a need to follow some trends. Specifically those that create icons such as the ones you dislike. As a person who generally does not like the way UI design/aesthetic is trending in the industry, I certainly feel your pain, but I think you and I may be the minority this time.

Try giving it some time though. You might come to like them better over time.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:42 pm Post

If it were up to me, I'd take a blend of 2010 OS X lack of pin-stripes and 2004 OS X respect for freaking buffer space between internal components and you know, a modicum of a window frame, and then stir it up with OS 9 frankly.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:56 pm Post

I'm sorry you don't like it, but a lot of hard work went into this release - two years' worth - and I freaking love the new icons. Most users really like them, too, from the feedback I've had so far, so I'm not sorry to tell you that you are in the minority.

No, you don't have to upgrade, but I recommend it and I won't be supporting 1.x for much longer after 2.0 comes out.

So, yeah, thanks for throwing it out there that you REALLY HATE it. Because, y'know, that's really helpful.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:01 pm Post

KB, I don't think the OP was directed as a personal attack on the work you have done. I think it was more of a "this makes it hard for me to work" kind of thing. Kind of like a barking dog outside interrupting the flow of bug squishing. Give Snobunny some time to consider it all again with the tool bar hidden.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:07 pm Post

Jaysen, after very little sleep from trying to get this thing out there, two years of bloomin' hard work, dealing with bugs and trying to get everything running, I'm just not well disposed right now towards unconstructive, all-caps "HATE IT" posts, about things that are clearly not going to change. I'm sure snobunny didn't mean it personally, but when you're working your ass off it can sure feel that way. *Sigh.* I think I ought to abandon these forums for a while as I clearly have too much to do and don't want to offend anyone. snobunny - no offence intended. Although please let me know of any published works you have out there so that I can write to you and tell you about the parts I HATE. :)
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:15 pm Post

KB,

I apologize if I offended you or the work you've put into this release. I thought this was a forum for feedback. My assessment was of what I loved, what I hated, and why my priorities in one area overrode the others.

Had I known my negative feedback wasn't welcome, I would never have posted it in the first place. Although this is the first time I've ever used a manufacturer's online forum, I can assure you it will be the last.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:29 pm Post

Negative feedback is welcome, but there is a way of saying things; before posting it's helpful to think about how you would like feedback from someone to whom you had just handed work you had put a lot of effort into. Saying, "I don't really like the new icons," is fair enough as it's entirely subjective; entitling the thread, "I don't like it" and then using all-caps to shout your hatred isn't going to be well-received, sorry.

So yes, by all means post negative feedback, just make sure it's the sort of negative feedback you wouldn't mind receiving yourself. There's really no need to turn tail and run (that was a bunny pun).

Anyway, I'm sorry to be tetchy as I certainly don't want to upset a user who clearly likes the program otherwise, but I'm only human, and an overly-sensitive one at that.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:32 pm Post

It is a forum for feedback, positive and negative both are welcome, just understand if you use strong language like "really hate it", it might get hackles raised from those that have been working around the clock and subsisting on coffee and scattered microwaved meals to get this release out to everyone. There is no inhuman corporation here, just a small handful of us and we all have put a lot of personal effort and time into every single detail you see.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:35 pm Post

Hey snobunny, Just another comment on the toolbar, in addition to hiding it as Ioa mentioned, you can also choose to have text only instead of icons, so you still get the benefit of the items there for easy access but it takes up less space and won't have the aesthetics that you dislike. A right-click on the toolbar will give you the menu options to let you choose text only.
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