Scrivener 3.0 is useless.

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Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:14 pm Post

I fucking hate Scrivener 3. It's the most stupid program I've ever worked with. WHAT THE FUCK.

I've lost over 30 hours trying to just export a fucking EPUB for a previously published book, and it keeps coming out with no page breaks between chapters because there's no place to tell it to make a page break, and you have to define every file at least 3 different ways AND THEN THERE'S NO FUCKING PAGE-BREAK-BEFORE OPTION. It has Section Breaks, which don't turn into page breaks when exported. It has useless fucking empty lines.

And then the endmatter at the end, where I don't want page breaks, there's fucking random page breaks all over the place.

And yes, I read the fucking update document, and I watched all the YouTube videos. And when I try to edit the Section Layouts in Compile with a copy of a format, it won't let me. No stupid pencil-edit option.

I tried changing each one of the files from SCENE to Chapter, and that didn't do shit. I have HUNDREDS of chapters. I have 5-book series with over 100 chapters EACH. How the fuck can I do that, even if it had worked, which it didn't! You can't select them all and change them all. You have to do each damn scene individually, and it doesn't even fucking work.

And so I tried to learn Vellum, which I haven't been using because I've been exporting from Scriv. Vellum won't recognize the fucking chapter titles, even though they're there in the Word docx. And yes, I used Scriv's special Vellum export file.

I HAD to upgrade to Scriv 3.0 because iTunes Producer forced me to upgrade to Catalina OS. I think my only option is to export to Word docx, fix all the titles and shit in Word, and then do Vellum. This is going to take DAYS.

L&L: you have lost a customer AND someone who advocated for you and has written many glowing recommendations for you in Club Indie, Author Support Network, and other huge author groups. FUCK YOU. I am fucking done.

And before you think I must be too stupid to use it, I hold a PhD in virology, did my postdoc in neurosci at an Ivy Leage Univ, and can program in Basic, C++, and motherfucking DOS.

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Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:28 pm Post

Well... I hope you feel better, getting that off your chest. Too bad you didn't come to the forums with questions when you encountered each of the road blocks you listed. I'm sure we (other users) could have helped you sort it out before you got so very, very angry.

I assume you won't see this, but I hope others who may be ramping up their level of frustration at adapting to S3 will consider just asking, "Hey, I'm getting page breaks in the end matter in Scrivener 3... here's what I've tried."

It's rough out there, folks. Don't forget we're all just people, trying our best.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:43 pm Post

WTHLL wrote:And before you think I must be too stupid to use it, I hold a PhD in virology, did my postdoc in neurosci at an Ivy Leage Univ, and can program in Basic, C++, and motherfucking DOS.
Stupid? Probably not. But what would you call a person who wouldn't come forward and ask you for help before they'd reached the point of explosion, for a problem that you happened to know was solvable?

I've never understood that approach, and I guess I never will.

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Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:51 pm Post

If you're a virologist, I'm guessing you're very busy and under a lot of pressure right now. I'm sorry to hear that Scrivener added to your stress level.

However, it's impossible for us to answer questions that have not been asked.

Rather than changing hundreds of files from "Scene" to "Chapter," a more efficient solution would be to change the Section Layout assigned to Scene (or Chapter) documents. I'd be happy to walk you through how to do that.

Regarding the Page Break/Section Break question, ePubs don't *have* page breaks, because they don't have pages. How exactly a Section Break is handled depends in part on the reader software, but a Section Break is the standard way to insert a break between chapters. Again, I'd be happy to address this question in more detail.

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Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:35 am Post

I agree that compiling in 3.0 is much more complicated and counterintuitive than in previous versions. But at least it is doable (with lots of help of external apps, and lots of time lost, but still doable).

What's completely broken, is Writing History, which unfortunately was the reason I bought an upgrade to Scrivener 3.

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Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:26 am Post

parf wrote:I agree that compiling in 3.0 is much more complicated and counterintuitive than in previous versions.

I don’t agree at all.
Compiling in version 2 was incomprehensible and required that I bought a book specifically dedicated to explaining how it was supposed to work. Moving to version 3 was complicated when I finally had understood version 2, but when I tried to forget how compile worked in version 2 and started with fresh eyes in version 3 my conclusion was that it is actually much more logical and flexible.

Forget all about the old compile and everything will be much more simple. :D
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Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:38 pm Post

And before you think I must be too stupid to use it, I hold a PhD in virology, did my postdoc in neurosci at an Ivy Leage Univ, and can program in Basic, C++, and motherfucking DOS.


Top marks for the number of fucks and fuckings in a short diatribe - mightily impressed. That ‘ivy league’ education clearly has its benefits.

I know a number of people with dozens of letters behind their names who while extremely intelligent and impressive in their field of specialisation are a total fail at practical matters such as this.

Unfortunately most of them have an arrogance in direct proportion to the number of letters, made even worse when there’s ‘ivy league’ (it’s only a status claim, not an indication of the quality of graduates - just look at some of the US politicians who claim ‘ivy league’ backgrounds) involved that prevents them from saying ‘help’ before they explode in an example of self-entitled arrogance.

I have a more than decent collection of letters after my name in my area of specialisation, (from top 1% worldwide universities, based on results, not some status claim), but when it comes to the ins and outs of Scrivener, the first thing I do is search the forum or one of the many resources out there.

Just saying...