I spent the most useful 99$ in a long time.

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Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:08 pm Post

Hi to all literature and latte staff, and to all forum visitors,
I was searching for a mind mapping tool, then I found scapple and liked it a lot So I bought both Windows and Mac versions at an educational discount (I am a General Surgery Lecturer) = 24 $. Then through your site I found abount Scrivener and tried it and was amazed about how fast and effective it was in writing articles with multiple sections (I used it to write an article on Leg ulcers and Finished it in a timely fashion), so I bought the bundle for 75$ (educational discount for both is even slightly higher for combined educational windows and Mac versions = 76.50)
so if you are a Teacher or student and want all bundle with the best possible discount, you can buy Scapple educational for mac and windows and Scrivener bundle = 99$. The best part is that both educational and regular licenses are the same for both scapple and scrivener without any restriction on usage, the difference only in price (but not always educational are cheap as in scrivenrer bundle case). You can get an educational price with a word of honor, they don't ask for academic verification .
Thanks to all literature and latte staff for good job they are doing, your software certainly worth more than 99$ for me.

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Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:52 pm Post

Just for clarification––yes, L&L's EULAs are very generous, but they do have usage restrictions.

See here for the EULAs:
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/end- ... -agreement
I'm a Scrivener user, not an L&L employee.

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scshrugged wrote:Just for clarification––yes, L&L's EULAs are very generous, but they do have usage restrictions.

See here for the EULAs:
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/end- ... -agreement

I don't see any restrictions, they are very generous. the license per house concept is rare in the software market. they depend on the word of honor as I said in my OP, and they deserve respect. if one is not a teacher, don't lie to save few pounds, buy the regular version. also, don't share the license with other people outside your residence. they deserve this.
God bless literature and latte

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Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:12 pm Post

Sorry, asd937. I didn't mean to rain on your parade.

Your––"The best part is that both educational and regular licenses are the same for both scapple and scrivener without any restriction on usage, the difference only in price (but not always educational are cheap as in scrivenrer bundle case)."––I read as having a period and end of thought after the word "usage". If the fragment is read in that way, it could be interpreted as meaning there's no restriction on usage in either license case, thus my EULA clarification post.

I can see now that you likely meant there's no difference between the standard and educational licenses. Regardless, I meant no harm and wish you well. For me, it's a lesson learned.


Happy writing.
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Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:36 pm Post

No problem scshrugged, I am also sorry for this little (,)
I wish you the best in life and career :)
Thank you

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Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:28 pm Post

Please do be aware that educational licensees are *not* eligible for upgrade discounts on future versions. They *are* eligible for educational discounts, assuming they still qualify at the time of purchase.

Also, there *is* a limit on the number of activations per license. Ordinary users are unlikely to run into it, but 'sharing' your license key is likely to come back and bite you: if/when you hit the limit, the oldest activations will be disabled.

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kewms wrote:Please do be aware that educational licensees are *not* eligible for upgrade discounts on future versions. They *are* eligible for educational discounts, assuming they still qualify at the time of purchase.

Upgrade pricing: The update to Scrivener 3 is free for users who bought Scrivener 2 on or after 20th August 2017, and $25 for users who purchased any version of Scrivener for macOS before that. The upgrade fee is the same for both the regular and education licences. Only users who purchased from our store, or from a reseller that provides activation through our store (such as Amazon), are eligible for discounted update pricing on this page.
[URL removed, as the upgrade arrangements have changed]

kewms wrote:Also, there *is* a limit on the number of activations per license. Ordinary users are unlikely to run into it, but 'sharing' your license key is likely to come back and bite you: if/when you hit the limit, the oldest activations will be disabled.
Katherine

I think the limit is on both versions (regarding Number of activation), one should not share his license at all regardless of its type weather educational or regular. support literature and latte and spread the word and only share the store link :D

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asd937 wrote:
kewms wrote:Please do be aware that educational licensees are *not* eligible for upgrade discounts on future versions. They *are* eligible for educational discounts, assuming they still qualify at the time of purchase.

Upgrade pricing: The update to Scrivener 3 is free for users who bought Scrivener 2 on or after 20th August 2017, and $25 for users who purchased any version of Scrivener for macOS before that. The upgrade fee is the same for both the regular and education licences. Only users who purchased from our store, or from a reseller that provides activation through our store (such as Amazon), are eligible for discounted update pricing on this page.
https://store5.esellerate.net/store/che ... remail.htm


I italicized the relevant part of Katherine's response -- "future version" meaning the versions beyond v3, which has already been discounted for users who purchased a v2 license within the required time window. Here is how I understand it:

If I as a normal user bought Scrivener 1 for Mac, I would have received the upgrade pricing for v2, and the upgrade pricing for v3, and will (presumably) receive the upgrade pricing for a future v4.

If I had bought the v2 license with an educational discount within the August 2017 timeframe, I would have gotten the free upgrade to v3, but I would not be eligible for the upgrade pricing for a future v4. The discounts don't stack.

I believe there are a couple of other situations where Scrivener users may acquire licenses that are not eligible for the upgrade discount.
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Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:57 am Post

devinganger wrote:If I had bought the v2 license with an educational discount within the August 2017 timeframe, I would have gotten the free upgrade to v3,

Upgrade pricing: The update to Scrivener 3 is free for users who bought Scrivener 2 on or after 20th August 2017,
so it must be bought at/or after 20 August not all days of August for both regular and educational licenses (for example 19 August is not eligible for the free upgrade as I understand)

devinganger wrote:If I had bought the v2 license with an educational discount within the August 2017 timeframe, I would have gotten the free upgrade to v3, but I would not be eligible for the upgrade pricing for a future v4. The discounts don't stack.

Upgrade pricing: The update to Scrivener 3 is free for users who bought Scrivener 2 on or after 20th August 2017, and $25 for users who purchased any version of Scrivener for macOS before that. The upgrade fee is the same for both the regular and education licenses.

upgrade fee to 3 from 2 is the same for both regular and educational old users licenses (before August 20), so why wouldn't upgrade to 4 will be the same for both versions in the future?

devinganger wrote:I believe there are a couple of other situations where Scrivener users may acquire licenses that are not eligible for the upgrade discount.

Can you clarify these situations?, I can not find any.

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Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:54 pm Post

I have asked people who work more directly with the sales side of things to clarify. The wording seems to differ from what the store actually does.

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kewms wrote:I have asked people who work more directly with the sales side of things to clarify. The wording seems to differ from what the store actually does.

Katherine

Can you clarify further Katherine ?
thank you for interest

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https://www.literatureandlatte.com/foru ... 100#p24100
KB wrote:Hi,

There is absolutely no difference between the academic licence and the standard licence other than you get a 12.5% discount. The licence you receive when you buy is identical to the one you would receive if you bought the regular licence, and there are no restrictions on use any more than on the regular licence.

Just choose the educational licence when buying.

Thanks for your interest in Scrivener!

All the best,
Keith


https://www.literatureandlatte.com/foru ... 500#p97500
KB wrote:Hi,

(I've moved this out of the "Tips & Tricks & FAQ" section, which is for users to share tips with one another.)

Thanks for considering Scrivener. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between the educational licence and the regular licence. It's more accurately an "educational discount", really - it's the regular licence just with a discounted price for students and educators.

Hope that helps.

All the best,
Keith

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Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:41 pm Post

I contacted Sales here at L & L, this is their response :

There is absolutely no difference between the academic licence and the standard licence other than you get a 12.5% discount. The licence you receive when you buy is identical to the one you would receive if you bought the regular licence, and there are no restrictions on use any more than on the regular licence

The only difference arises when it comes to a cross-grade discount. Standard or regular licensing allows you a 15% discount when purchasing a standard licence for Scrivener on the other platform. This isn't true if you've bought a discounted educational licence, as you can simply purchase an educational licence for the other platform too.

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Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:34 pm Post

That isn't the question, though. Yes, the educational license gives you exactly the same functionality.

The question was, if you buy an educational license now, will you be eligible for the upgrade discount to Scrivener 4. I believe the answer is no.

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Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:04 pm Post

kewms wrote:That isn't the question, though. Yes, the educational license gives you exactly the same functionality.

The question was, if you buy an educational license now, will you be eligible for the upgrade discount to Scrivener 4. I believe the answer is no.

Katherine

well, there is no talk about this anywhere may be one of L & L staff can clarify. I think it is too early to think about version 4 now.