Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:40 pm Post
Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:06 pm Post
75th wrote:For an app that autosaves your work and touts Dropbox support, Scrivener's "Project Already Open" warning dialog is pretty objectionable. Scrivener has been open on my always-online home Mac without me touching it for several days, yet trying to edit it at work gets me three paragraphs of small text warning of data loss.
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:14 pm Post
There's a setting which closes the project after so many minutes not being used - default is 30 I think, but you can alter it.
The warning is *supposed* to be scary. Editing a project on one computer while it's open on another is a bad idea and has a lot of potential for data loss. Just because it hasn't happened to you (yet) doesn't mean we should allow our users to ignore the risk.
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:48 pm Post
75th wrote:What I'm saying is, an app that autosaves and explicitly supports a syncing service should be more friendly in extremely common sync scenarios like the one I describe. So far as I understand, if I did tell the scary dialog to open the project anyway, I'd be totally fine, so long as my latest changes on the remote computer had finished syncing. The problem would be if someone else had it open and was currently typing into it, or if Dropbox sync had failed to catch up by the time I opened the project on the second Mac.
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:50 pm Post
75th wrote:There's a setting which closes the project after so many minutes not being used - default is 30 I think, but you can alter it.
Ahh, that will help very much. Thank you! I still think something more like what I suggested should be default behavior, though. And I wonder if this works if I manually lock the computer before the idle time elapses?
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:53 pm Post
75th wrote:If an extremely common scenario using supported app features results in scary warnings that probably don't apply most of the time, then some part of the whole situation could use improvement.
Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:31 pm Post
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Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:07 am Post
75th wrote:Well the developer is very nice, but the support person is exceedingly blunt, so I will be slightly more blunt than I was last year:
SubEthaEdit came out in 2003, Google Docs née Writely in 2005, Git in 2006. I know that sync is the quintessential hard problem, I know that Scrivener documents are more complex than single text or even word processing documents, etc., etc.
But it’s almost 2020. Gracefully handling multiple devices is table stakes for a document-based app these days. I fervently hope that this issue is at or near the top of the priority list for Scrivener 4, if not a point release of 3.
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:22 am Post
devinganger wrote:But you should also be aware what you're giving up by doing so. There's a reason none of those other tools that can handle that particular capability have many of the capabilities that Scrivener *does* have.
Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:16 am Post
Git expects source code and other strictly formatted documents, can't handle the RTF format, and relies on the last-checked-in-resolve-conflict model to resolve any edits that happen on the same chunk.
Google Docs was developed by a multi-million dollar corporation that took years to build a word processor UI over what is essentially a multi-access editing engine,
and I don't know enough about SubEthaEdit to say why that as an example doesn't match the Scrivener model.
KB has very clearly laid out the design goals for Scrivener.
Which of the existing design goals and features do you think that Scrivener should give up in order to make simultaneous collaboration technically feasible, and do you have your hands on the sales data that would show you what percentage of users rely on those features that you would be alienating with such a move?
Not every tool has to be everything to everybody. If your top priority is simultaneous collaboration, or even just the ability to always keep your apps open on multiple devices and have the edits show up on other devices most of the time, then you should probably look at something other than Scrivener
unless Keith shows up and announces that he's changed his mind from the last time he talked about this in depth.
There's a reason none of those other tools that can handle that particular capability have many of the capabilities that Scrivener *does* have.
Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:20 am Post
kewms wrote: If a tool other than Scrivener meets your needs more effectively, you should use it.
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