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Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:43 pm
by ptram
For what is worth, I like the new look more than the older one. I find it less intrusive, airier, better integrated with the OS.

Paolo

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:59 am
by Hugh
ptram wrote:For what is worth, I like the new look more than the older one. I find it less intrusive, airier, better integrated with the OS.

Paolo


Hi Paolo, it's good to see you again in these pages. (And by the way, I completely agree with you.)

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:48 pm
by Merovech
Ditto the forum font making it harder to read. Perhaps going from Effra-Light to Effra-Regular would address it. (Just looking at the Fontkit site the regular is much more legible.)

That said, having a care towards being WCAG 2.0-AA compliant on the web site would be nice given that a sixth of the Internet population has a disability affecting computer use. The font size (18), background and color don't seem to be at issue...though when I highlight and the background goes black the readability increases (even with a white background and the text being #210. I'm viewing the site magnified 125% at that.

For giggles, I changed the font in the Chrome Inspect and are attaching them so you see the same display with Effra Regular (the first image) and Effra Light (the forum default). The Regular addresses the readability of the forum.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:15 pm
by Bridey
Merovech wrote:For giggles, I changed the font in the Chrome Inspect and are attaching them so you see the same display with Effra Regular (the first image) and Effra Light (the forum default). The Regular addresses the readability of the forum.


IMO, a big improvement.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:38 pm
by xiamenese
In spite of my 72-year old eyes, my only problem with the forum is the lack of a breadcrumb trail at the bottom of the 'page', to save having to scroll back up to the top in order to return to the current forum list … even more of a pain when viewing on my iPad. For the rest, I really like it, though I can understand why some members wish for a heavier font.

Mark

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:23 pm
by Oogiem
KB wrote:I can understand that some might find the new forum a little harder to read, because of the lighter, sans-serif font. We'll consider that.
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Count me in with the finding the forum very, very hard to read.

The highlighting of text seems odd too, misses the tops of characters and highlights space below the line.

Can we have some options? Just trying to read through a few threads gives me a splitting headache and eye strain. I have to really struggle to read the text since it's so light and thin.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:24 pm
by Oogiem
Merovech wrote:Ditto the forum font making it harder to read. Perhaps going from Effra-Light to Effra-Regular would address it.

YES! Much more readable. Even better would be the ability to set our own style sheets but that may not be a feature of this forum software.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:18 am
by scshrugged
If you have Firefox (desktop), you can control the site fonts without the addition of an extension.

See Custom Fonts here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ch ... bsites-use

For instance, in the following screenshot of Oogiem's post, at the Sans-serif dropdown I used Futura; it's a medium weight font. The–Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of your selections above–box is unchecked.

Screen Shot 2017-12-10 at 7.39.52 PM.png


Edit 12/18/17: I hadn't used Fx for several months prior to the above post.(Started using it again specifically to address my inability to easily see L&L's new forum design.) Since the post, I've learned of information regarding Mozilla that makes me not trust them (again). If you choose to seek it out, use the search terms trustworthy, censorship, tracking etc... I hope Mozilla can redeem itself; until then they've lost me.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:44 am
by deborahb
I'm not liking the new look & I really wish I hadn't upgraded. The thing I miss the most, though, is the use of label colours in the binder. I know it reflects a similar change in Mac OS from a few versions ago (dots of colour instead of wide swipes of colour) - but I don't like it in the OS, either. If there were visual accessibility options in Scrivener, I'd be one of the people employing them.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:32 am
by MimeticMouton
The thing I miss the most, though, is the use of label colours in the binder. I know it reflects a similar change in Mac OS from a few versions ago (dots of colour instead of wide swipes of colour) - but I don't like it in the OS, either.

Choosing View > Use Label Color In > Use Full Width in Binder will change this from a dot to a full row of colour; that might serve you better.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:56 am
by KB
deborahb wrote:I'm not liking the new look & I really wish I hadn't upgraded. The thing I miss the most, though, is the use of label colours in the binder. I know it reflects a similar change in Mac OS from a few versions ago (dots of colour instead of wide swipes of colour) - but I don't like it in the OS, either. If there were visual accessibility options in Scrivener, I'd be one of the people employing them.


Just go back to Scrivener 2 then?

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:17 pm
by Oogiem
scshrugged wrote:If you have Firefox (desktop), you can control the site fonts without the addition of an extension.

I run on Safari, There are some issues with Firefox that I can't get around.

I've searched for some plugins that might help without success.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:08 pm
by scshrugged
Oogiem wrote:I run on Safari, There are some issues with Firefox that I can't get around.

I've searched for some plugins that might help without success.

AmberV has posted a Stylish theme here:
viewtopic.php?p=242372#p242372

And instructions for needed adjustments to the theme for Safari here:
viewtopic.php?p=243093#p243093

I considered it but decided against it. Stylish is available at the Apple extension site (and elsewhere by the same developer) but the developer states–"This extension uses Google Analytics.". I prefer to travel lighter than that. I don't know if it's available elsewhere developed in a different way.


[PS: If your issues with Fx are technical ones rather than general philosophical ones, feel free to PM me. Maybe I can help. This wouldn't be the proper place to troubleshoot. If they're more of a general just never gonna use that stinking browser dislike, pretend this PS doesn't exist.]


Edit 12/18/17: I hadn't used Fx for several months prior to the above PS post. (Started using it again specifically to address my inability to easily see L&L's new forum design.) Since the post, I've learned of information regarding Mozilla that makes me not trust them (again). If you choose to seek it out, use the search terms trustworthy, censorship, tracking etc... I hope Mozilla can redeem itself; until then they've lost me.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:04 am
by deborahb
MimeticMouton wrote:
The thing I miss the most, though, is the use of label colours in the binder. I know it reflects a similar change in Mac OS from a few versions ago (dots of colour instead of wide swipes of colour) - but I don't like it in the OS, either.

Choosing View > Use Label Color In > Use Full Width in Binder will change this from a dot to a full row of colour; that might serve you better.


That is somewhat better - thank-you.

Re: Scriv 3, the Forum and the new 'Flatter' look

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:05 am
by deborahb
KB wrote:
deborahb wrote:I'm not liking the new look & I really wish I hadn't upgraded. The thing I miss the most, though, is the use of label colours in the binder. I know it reflects a similar change in Mac OS from a few versions ago (dots of colour instead of wide swipes of colour) - but I don't like it in the OS, either. If there were visual accessibility options in Scrivener, I'd be one of the people employing them.


Just go back to Scrivener 2 then?


Yeah. Take at look at MimeticMouton's post for a more helpful solution, though, next time someone has the same issue as me.