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Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:58 pm
by KB
UnusualSuspect wrote:I don't need Scapple to map onto anything. It would just be nice to have it as an additional feature, like the corkboard or outlines, neither of which I use very often. But standalone is okay.


The corkboard and outliner aren't "additional features", though - they are intrinsic parts of the program that allow you to drill down into your binder outline, zooming in on sections of it, manipulating the contents of folders and structuring the work by working with only the titles and synopses of documents. The corkboard and outliner map onto the binder very directly - they *are* the binder, just displayed in a different way. A Scapple-like view wouldn't be able to do any of that. A Scapple board is a place to brainstorm anything form a whole project to a a single idea; it wouldn't very often equate to an individual section of the binder in the way the corkboard and outliner do, and its freeform connections wouldn't be able to map onto the binder structure anyway. So, if we made it part of Scrivener, it would just be entirely separate to everything else anyway - basically, a different app within the app. It would feel like something tacked on. There would be nothing at all to gain over having it as a separate app, which is much cleaner, and which may also appeal to people who don't use Scrivener as well as those who do.

All the best,
Keith

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:19 pm
by UnusualSuspect
I understand the relationship of the cork board and outliner to the binder. Also the advantage of making Scapple available to people who don't use Scrivener. Not trying to start an argument here. But just out of curiosity -- what is the scratch pad, if not an additional feature? It allows me to make notes without having to open another program. If Scapple was included in Scrivener, the advantage would be the same. And it wouldn't negate the existence of a standalone version. In fact, I wouldn't mind having both versions - one for working on Scrivener projects, one for general noodling when Scrivener isn't open.

But as i said, I'm not trying to start an argument -- just brain-storming.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:16 pm
by AmberV
Well, for one thing the Scratch Pad doesn't have its own elaborate system of menus and a floating inspector palette. I think you can agree that a little floating text field that caters to extra-project thought capture and note taking is not quite in the in same league as a whole application that has rather extensive command structures built into it, and demands its own philosophy of usage. Where would all of its keyboard shortcuts go, all of its menus, if it were stuck inside of another program?

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:36 pm
by KB
Exactly - it would be almost impossible to use if built inside Scrivener, as everything would need to be done via buttons. The scratch pad is a text view the same as the main editor in Scrivener, so can use Scrivener's main menus - it doesn't need anything else. Now, the Name Generator is more of a separate app, and that could really be separated out into a different app, but it doesn't require any menus, complex commands or inspector palettes. It would be a small utility, and so it can easily be tucked away inside Scrivener. But Scapple just is an entirely separate program, requiring many different commands for connecting and disconnecting notes, formatting them, adding borders, aligning notes, stacking them, and so on. It's different in nature to anything in Scrivener, requiring completely different commands and menu items - that's why it wouldn't work well in Scrivener even if I wanted to make it part of Scriv, which I don't.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:05 am
by sfgeorgia
scapple...... still on its way??? So exciting.....

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:03 pm
by jtw
Great start. Elegant design. Very intuitive.
Feature requests...

Haven't noticed any bugs with the few Scapple docs I created… but would love to see some additional features in the released product.

1. Support for embedding  Equations in the Scapple notes. (Scrivener uses MathType, I would think Scapple would too?)
2. The ability to group selected notes into a "group object" that can have its own visual boundary and be manipulated as a group (moved, selected, deleted, moved backward/forward etc)
3. Paste an image file directly from clipboard into Scapple [drag&drop of file seems to work fine but frequently I am just grabbing images from Internet in browser.. don't want to save to local disk outside Scapple]
4. Edit image files using the Finder's "open with" dialog box when I cntl-click on (image or text) note in Scapple doc.
5. Two or more Scapple docs (foo, bar) should be integrable into one Scapple doc (foobar), foo, bar, and foobar should be independently editable and automatically synchronized. This would better support the construction and usability of large Scapple documents.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:13 pm
by 4miler
Greetings Keith. For most of my most heart-felt feature suggestions, the Scrivener team -- I'm trying not to get personal here :) -- knock them back as unfeasible or not falling within the priorities of the benevolent dictator; and then months or years later, these are implemented in your software. I'll gladly take the hit to my pride, in exchange for my gratefulness of having useful software from Literate and Latte that make a significant contribution to the tools of my trade. Thanks for Scapple, and all you've done over the years with Scrivener. With regard to some form of mind-mapping software that can integrate with Scrivener, permit me one indulgence by letting me say, "I told you so."

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:15 am
by martieh
Double YYaaYY! Keith.
I can't tell you how long I've been looking for a BS tool (short for you know what) that isn't connected to one central item and freeform to boot. This is awesome. Can I pay now? Just kidding (not).

You rock.
Martie

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:31 am
by Anahi
It looks great but... is this a Mac only product? :(
Happy holidays!

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:10 am
by s6mike
OMG - only last week I was looking for software just like this!

Very pleased to hear I'm not the only one in need of a tool like this. Only prob is that I'm a windows user, so Scapple is not an option for me yet :(

Don't suppose anyone knows of a Windows alternative? A mindmap app which doesn't enforce the central node would do nicely.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:11 am
by terraling
Hi Keith

Just got the newsletter and discovered this. Looks very interesting, but...

Beta expires 31 Dec, you are on holiday until 6 Jan ??

Have a fab Christmas, you and the team...

Another feature request for which Scapple is not designed...

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:45 am
by michpen1
Brilliant App...

It might be even Brillianter with the ability to have text hidden behind the notes, and then being able to import this outline/mind map/Scapple into Scrivener with the notes text becoming text item "titles" in the Binder and the hidden text behind becoming the text content of these binder items. I wouldn't dare suggest the ability to bring this document back again into Scapple, back and forth really.

I know, the tyranny of hierarchy...

Thanks Keith and crew.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:59 pm
by MimeticMouton
terraling wrote:Beta expires 31 Dec, you are on holiday until 6 Jan ??

That was the previous version. The current beta available for download expires 28 Feb.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:08 pm
by DiamondDog
I'm another one who just got the newsletter and downloaded the beta this morning.

Have only spent an hour or so playing around with it, and I'm afraid I have no bug reports for you (I know how you love your bug reports :) ) but just wanted to say what a great tool this is.

Like others, I've done 'free form thinking' or whatever you would call it, using (at different times) Curio, Tinderbox, and mind map apps like FreeMind, but this just feels better. It's light, and simple to use.

Even if you did absolutely no more work on it, it would still be a steal at the sort of price you've indicated.

Insta-purchase for me when it's available to buy.

Very nice job. Thank You for the chance to try it out.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:21 pm
by terraling
MimeticMouton wrote:That was the previous version. The current beta available for download expires 28 Feb.


Thanks. The version I downloaded from the newsletter link expired Dec 31 but it has now updated to February...