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Question about connections and connection types

Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:51 pm
by matthewkrieger
hi Kevin

Scapple looks great. It may be the non-mind mapping mind mapping tool I've been looking for if you know what I mean.

Two questions:

First, is there a way, or could you add a way, to have two separate unidirectional arrows between two different notes? So in addition to having:

A <---> B

which expresses a reciprocal relationship between A and B, eg, they are friends, I am looking for:

<----
A B
---->

This is something really I want and I haven't seen in any diagramming tool. It might express for example that A is a customer of B and B competes with A.

Second, how do I select an existing link, whether it's to delete it, or change the type or whatever?

Thanks!

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:36 am
by AmberV
Yes, you just need to Opt-drag in both directions to make a dual-linked set.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:59 am
by toor
Hi, the link to the beta zip file isn't working for me. It downloads OK, but then the extraction of the zip hangs.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:34 am
by edjamesauthor
Potential bug - could just be me.

Trying to add connected nodes to an already existing node using the keyboard shortcuts, e.g. SHIFT-CMD-DOWN or SHIFT-CMD-ALT-DOWN for the arrow flavour, and nothing is happening. It works using the menu, but like my post above says, I'm a keyboard boy.

-- Ed

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:59 pm
by KB
Hi,

The shortcuts use the Control key, not Shift - so it's Ctrl-Alt-Cmd-Down or Ctrl-Cmd-Down.

Hope that helps.

All the best,
Keith

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:54 pm
by WLA
This is brilliant! This is close to how I use a piece of paper to sketch ideas.

Some comments:
I have not tested the export to OPML but trust it will be robust.
I use a four-color pen in real life and would like some equivalent capability on Scapple.
I'm not a fan of the dotted line -- a line without arrows would be fine with me.
Notes can get obscured by other notes -- a visual cue indicating something is underneath would be nice.
I'll join the chorus singing for an iPad version.

Beyond these comments, it does need a bit of polish. But if you released Scapple today, as is, I'd buy it immediately, trusting that it will improve just as Scrivener has.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:21 pm
by evanharmon
Congrats on a wonderfully done program! I am quite partial to this style of "mapping" out thoughts and writing and I wish there were more programs like it. I know you said it's essentially feature-complete, but one feature that would make this program so much more useful to me would be the ability to "drill down" into any given note and have a new canvas space (like having a new document). (That is, the way Tinderbox operates.) This feature (combined with the infinitely large canvas you already have) would make it scale basically indefinitely. If it could do that I think I would use this program for writing just about everything. The only time I end up really using Scrivener is when there is almost no more thinking to be done about creating content. Otherwise it is still just too structured for me. But Scapple is absolutely perfect for me. It's just that it wouldn't scale for larger projects if I can't drill down into a given note a la Tinderbox. If that were the case I think the applications for this program would expand greatly. For example, you could use one document for class notes. Or even one document for school in general or simply for everything. That is how I use Tinderbox. I would love if Scapple could something similar in combination with the strengths it already has. Keep up the good work!

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:25 am
by nrx
Would really like to see a tiny bit more control over the style of the line. It does not make sense to me--at all--that the only way I can have a solid line is by indicating directionality. I realize this software is meant to reflect your needs and workflow, but for my purposes, the strength (dotted versus solid, and maybe double solid or some other heavier line) or type (via color coding for instance) of connections is much more meaningful than directionality, which I use, but only sparingly. What I'm left with is a lot of dotted lines that look like equally weak connections to me. I realize introducing additional line types would undermine the either/or simplicity of dotted vs. solid, but you already do that by allowing directionality. We already have this control over notes, via shape, color, etc., so I'm not sure I get why it's not available for lines. This is the only substantive way I can imagine this product being improved though.

Edit: I realize this may sound a bit like asking Scapple to move too much in the direction of mind mapping, which I didn't intend (hence: "tiny bit more control"). I'd be 80% satisfied with just the addition of a solid, non-directional line.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:51 am
by jw610
Firstly thank you for this wonderful program.
Just a quick idea for a feature: would it be possible to add linked scrap pads.

This could simply be implemented via tabs, or less so by system links to other pads. These links could fire the opening of pads by clicking on set notes or an icon.

Thank you once again.

Josh

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:31 pm
by radicaldog
Brilliant. And, of course, this software is crying out for an iPad version. Perhaps one supporting stylus/handwriting input. Just piling up the pressure :)

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:34 pm
by radicaldog
Also, I have to disagree with nrx on directionality. Directionality is important because it is a standard way of symbolising logical connections: double-sided arrow = strict implication, one-sided = entailment, etc.

Different colours would be extremely helpful.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:53 pm
by KB
radicaldog wrote:Brilliant. And, of course, this software is crying out for an iPad version.


No, some users are crying out for an iPad version - that's different. :)

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:03 pm
by nrx
radicaldog wrote: Also, I have to disagree with nrx on directionality.


I'm kind of baffled that you think you're disagreeing with me. I didn't in any way argue against directionality as a feature. I explicitly stated that I use it myself. I think if you go back and re-read what I wrote, it should become clear that my main point was that I would use a solid, non-directional line more frequently than a directional one, and that the absence of such a line limits the utility of the line for me in certain specific ways. So you may find the existing implementation entirely to your liking, but this hardly constitutes a disagreement, unless you somehow think that a solid, non-directional line or other, more fine-grained control over the line would ruin the software. Which you clearly don't, since you said you'd like colors. I don't mean to be combative, but I think maybe I was misunderstood here?

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:39 pm
by radicaldog
^ Yes, you were. Sorry.

Re: Scapple Beta - New Users Please Read

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:21 pm
by matthewkrieger
AmberV - thanks!

I also meant to ask - is it possible to put text labels that are associated with the connection arrows? Such that if the arrows move around the labels with move with it.