Wish List: Lose Unnecessary Scroll Bars

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TromboneAl
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Thu May 02, 2019 5:15 pm Post

No biggie, but scroll bars are often present when they're unnecessary, as seen here:

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Thu May 02, 2019 5:40 pm Post

This is a Mac OS setting, not a Scapple setting. Look at the Apple -> System Preferences -> General pane.

Because it's a system setting, remember that you're changing the behavior everywhere, not just in Scapple.

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Sat May 04, 2019 2:08 pm Post

kewms wrote:This is a Mac OS setting, not a Scapple setting. Look at the Apple -> System Preferences -> General pane.

Because it's a system setting, remember that you're changing the behavior everywhere, not just in Scapple.

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Thanks, Katherine.

I know what you're getting at, but there's more going on here. Although I've chosen to show scroll bars always, my scroll bars disappear when they're not needed on, say TextEdit. The same is true with Scapple, but Scapple thinks they are needed in some situations when they should not be needed. Here's an illustration:

Vertical Scroll bar necessary (for both Scapple and TextEdit):

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Scroll bar not necessary for either, but Scapple has it, TextEdit does not:

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Here, the scroll bar has finally gone away for Scapple.

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IOW, Scapple has reserved some extra space at the bottom of the mind map. Even though it's blank and we don't need to see it, Scapple keeps the scroll bar around.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:25 pm Post

Scapple enlarges its boards as you add notes, to make room for further notes in various directions. Once the whole board gets too big to show in the window, you’ll get scroll bars in the relevant direction(s) so you can conveniently access the added space, even if all actual notes so far are visible in the window already. We don’t need to see this extra space, but we might well need to access it. There’s no comparable need to access empty space with apps like TextEdit.

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Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:47 am Post

DavidH has the right idea. The board is automatically expanded by a fair amount on the right and bottom sides, so that you can continue expanding the size of your content without having to use any odd tricks to do so. The only way to do that is to physically increase the size of the canvas, and the scrollbars cannot be set to only scroll to parts of what is physically available.
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Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:13 pm Post

I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense. However, there's a way to deal with this that doesn't involve having so much added space and scroll bars when they are not necessary.

In fact, Scapple already uses this method, and it isn't odd. To see what I mean, try this:

Put a new note near the bottom of the mindmap. Let's say you want to move to to a lower position, but the mindmap isn't big enough. All you have to do is drag it downward. The map will expand as you do this. More space will be added at the bottom. It's intuitive and it works.

All you have to do to get rid of the unnecessary scroll bars is add less space at the bottom of the map.

Just something to think about.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:48 am Post

FWIW I understand exactly what you mean.

There's only one annoying thing about Scapple (such a great app) which is the near-inability to get rid of scrollbars. I can get rid of them, but only by making the window far too big, with too much space given it.

It is a problem, because something in the back of your mind is saying, "Is there some hidden content, somewhere, that those scrollbars are showing?" But there isn't, and you have to make the windows huge to get rid of them.

I guess it's not a priority to look at, let alone fix, but it is the first thing I notice about Scapple every time I use it.

Having said all that, Scapple is great, if frankly under-developed (and no iOS version is just weird)...

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:53 pm Post

nevdev wrote:... something in the back of your mind is saying, "Is there some hidden content, somewhere, that those scrollbars are showing?"

I meant, "that those scrollbars are indicating as out of sight".

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Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:08 am Post

nevdev wrote:Having said all that, Scapple is great ...


Thanks for the support.

Yeah, it's just fun to use. Here's a new way I'm using it, mapping out the relationships between the different characters:

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