Locking Background Shapes on the Canvas?

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Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:56 pm Post

Is there a way to lock/anchor specific background shapes to particular spots on your Canvas?

If not, maybe it would be a useful feature to add. Here's why I think that's so: If you're looking to create a couple of visual dividers on your Canvas, but you want things to be free form inside of each quadrant, locking the backgrounds might help you avoid unintentionally moving the backgrounds when you are moving the notes inside of them, etc.

Then, if you later want to move an entire background and any notes it contains, you can just unlock it at that point.

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Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:06 am Post

If your primary intention here is to block a board into quadrants, a better approach would be to make your four shapes as small as they can go, turn off borders so they are invisible “dots”, and connect them with lines. So basically you would connect a top and bottom “dot” to make a vertical line, and a left and right “dot” to form your horizontal line, than arrange them in a cross position to mark out the quadrants. You’ll still want to make sure to avoid dragging the line itself, but it’s quite a bit more difficult to do that accidentally, than a large area behind everything.
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Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:11 am Post

This would be an amazing feature. They mentioned on Twitter that they're considering adding it! https://twitter.com/eli_schiff/status/4 ... 6700419072

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:44 pm Post

For me, I want to annotate sections of a drawing - the only way I have found to do this is to create a background with an absurdly large right and bottom border, then put the notes around the drawing, linking to an 'empty' (containing a space and no border) note in the right place on the diagram.

This allows me to position the lines coming from a point on the drawing, and link to notes around the edge. Absolute pain that I can't print or export reliably as the background image moves in relation to the notes. So, (on the Mac), I do a screen shot to capture the diagram and notes in the right place, then send that out.

If you could stack things and have lines coming over the top of an image that was 'behind' the current layer then I would love it.

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:10 pm Post

Drawing on pictures is a job for a program more dedicated to image manipulation. There are a lot of simple, easy to learn tools for this, many are even free. Additionally, in Mac OS X 10.10 there will be a fairly universal image "mark up" utility. We'll try to interface with that if it is feasible (there are some issues with editing images that are embedded inside other formats at the moment, but I suspect these are mainly beta OS bugs).
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Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:43 pm Post

I agree - and I have Adobe's Creative Suite to do exactly that.

Now for the "but" ...

But ... (told you) ... I have to present concepts, ideas, production notes, sketches, outlines and so on: the joys of being someone that designs things for a living. Sometimes the ability to add comments linked to specific parts of a diagram within a brainstorming session proves invaluable. Illustrator and the like do this perfectly well, but take a lot of time to do a very simple job - I get lost in switching tools to add text and then worry about anchor points ... and so on.

To clarify 'wot I mean guv', see the attached. The workflow's a little cumbersome, but still quicker than Illustrator or Photoshop. Drag the image into Photoshop and extend the canvas to create the background image. Add to Scapple as a background. Then double click and type, double click and put a space in the reference point (the headlight, for example), then link the 'space' node to the text.

Upside: I can annotate quickly and accurately.

Downside: I can only screen-shot the result as no form of export keeps the image locked in place (relative to the text and 'space' nodes).
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Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:46 pm Post

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Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:16 pm Post

Okay, I see what you are going for better here. It’s a text-heavy form of image mark up, and so naturally a text oriented program like Scapple is appealing for the task, over something so detailed that it can treat text as vector graphics. :)

I’ll put in a suggestion for locking images (and maybe anything) somehow “to the background”. I don’t feel that goes against the principle of the software, though Keith may not agree, so we’ll see. Thanks for the feedback, all!

(P.S. You can use other soft drinks to replace hot liquids - Fanta is only one of many possible solutions)


I can think of a few… not best suited for driving, however.
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:55 am Post

Thanks lots. I do this a lot - from defining flow for animations through to discussing particular merits of a 'thing'. It will really help as I could then have several images on the one sheet.

Passing thought - the lock to background needs to allow the lines/text to flow over the image for this to be any real use. In effect, send to background and layer over the top. I guess that's where Keith may object as I have seen some resistance to 'layer' principles for Scapple in the forum.

I'll keep my finger's crossed and hope that by saying "Keith's a wonderful and kind individual", that might sway him towards supporting this feature!

Thanks again.

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Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:07 pm Post

+1 Locking note/shape to background is a very welcome feature. Since (in Scapple) object position on canvas conveys meaning, accidental displacements hinder a workflow. And I experienced this a lot.

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Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:38 pm Post

Yes, in fact having it occupy a background layer is precisely how I wrote it up. In a traditional vector program you wouldn’t want to constrain locking to being to a particular “layer”, but I think it is appropriate here. There is in fact a background layer in the program—Shapes occupy it. So depth is used when it makes sense to.
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Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:44 pm Post

I'd love to be able to lock items as well. I'm using Scapple as a "This Week" calendar. I have large M Tu W Th F Sat Sun text blocks on the top and very faint vertical dividing lines (as well as delineated areas for "unscheduled", "upcoming" and "invoice". It would be wonderful to be able to lock down the days, dividing lines and the three other areas, so my tasks and notes can move around freely without danger of affecting locked items (moving or connecting).

Scapple's beauty (part of it) is its simplicity, I know, but a little bit of locking would be so helpful.

Thank you!

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Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:34 pm Post

Thank you, this has already been filed to the list of possible future features, no need to continue "voting" for it. ;)
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Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:15 pm Post

Thank you AmberV ! :D

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Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:42 am Post

Hello everyone! I am looking for the same feature, as in my case I would like to put a background image to do visual mapping.

Could you consider to actually implement a lock command?

Thanks :D