Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:35 pm Post
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:09 pm Post
How would a subscription model change the API:s of iCloud and other cloud services? And how would it give KB more time to improve iOS Scrivener? And why would he want to upscale his business?Joshua C wrote:The reason i want this is because Scrivener is just technically falling behind. iOS syncing is still annoying for new users, the iOS version hasn't been updated in months, it really needs a UI sweep. Windows Scrivener is in perpetual beta, Linux Scrivener is dead. It's not that these aren't worthwhile goals, but there's no recurring income stream to fund them.
Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:05 pm Post
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:38 am Post
I just don't see Scrivener surviving without it
Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:38 pm Post
Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:58 pm Post
Login wrote:One developer looks after Scrivener (and Scapple) for Mac and iOS, and two developers work on Windows. Expect the company is set up as the principal owner wants it to be, and the products are managed and developed as he sees fit. With a modest team to support, the business model must suit; so if it ain't broke, there's no need to "fix it" by adopting another model.
Main thing is for users to buy or rent whatever hardware and software suits their needs at any given time. If Scrivener suits, then buy into what the developer is offering. If you want something else, buy from whoever is offering the closest product to what you want.
I am a Mac, iPad, and iPhone owner only because of Scrivener, and I have been a Scrivener user since the Mac version was first launched. For years, my needs dovetailed perfectly with what L&L had to offer.
In the last year or so, I have changed in ways that have put me partially out of sync with what L&L is currently offering. For me, the most important thing is working in the Apple-way: apps that sync through iCloud and use Handoff. Though I am not keen on subscription models, the critical thing is to have a hardware / software solution that works and which allows me to get on with writing and editing.
Recently, having read Keith's posts about Apple development needing to wait for Windows to catch up, I started looking at other software to see if anything else could meet my needs better. I started using Bear, just to have simple syncing between four devices. My idea was to write in Bear in the main (principally on my iOS devices) and then copy to Scrivener for Mac to do any heavy lifting.
This worked really well, and I was pretty darn happy at first. And then I realised that things were actually working too well and that I was using Scrivener for Mac less and less. So even though I am not keen on Bear's subscription model, the Apple-way of working is so pleasant (and so free of static from the need to keep Windows users happy) that I have found I am being more productive than I was when slogging away with syncing Scrivener through Dropbox and sometimes forgetting to sync and ending up getting frustrated and losing focus.
So I am all for L&L doing whatever they think is best. I will continue to use Scrivener for Mac when I need to, and I will continue to follow the updates offered by L&L to see if I can become a Scrivener-only writer again.
Anecdotally, I do think L&L is losing some Apple-based customers because of the way things are now, but presumably any losses are more than offset by Windows customers.
Fourteen members of my immediate family make a living through writing. They are all-in with Apple devices, and for a while they all used Scrivener for Mac and iOS. In the last few years, they have started to drift away, mainly because of Dropbox and the lack of having iCould as an option when syncing with iOS devices: iCloud works for Mac-only syncing with Scrivener, so iCloud–iOS limitations are unique to Scrivener alone in terms of Apple-friendly writing apps. As such, most of the writers in the family have found themselves out of sync with L&L and are now relying on a mix of Ulysses, iA Writer, and Bear: they all "just work", even if subscriptions are involved.
Personally, I dislike subscription apps that lose some or all functionality when the user stops paying. I would much rather pay for annual updates, but not lose any functionality if I choose to not update. Of course, I wouldn't get the latest and greatest enhancements, but I would still have a fully functional app (that I know will get long in the tooth over time).
But if L&L are happy with their income stream and the number of users they have, then there really isn't any need to change anything. Just as a writer should not change their work to satisfy the opinion of any reader, L&L should stick with whatever is right and best for the company. The integrity of the product is paramount, and it is then for users to decide if they want that product or not.
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