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Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:16 pm Post

Long time user of Scrivner. I use Mac and Windows. I have 3.0 on my Mac and will look forward to 3.0 on Windows. We have dealt with different versions on Windows & Mac for years. I would hope that one day there could be a web based version that I could access files on any computer that had Internet access. A reasonable monthly subscription could be charged that cover application maintenance and file storage. This type of Internet app would eliminate (for me) all future Mac and Windows versions and cover file sharing between Mac and Windows.

Thanks for listening. Thanks for your continued efforts to bring us a high quality writing tool.
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:51 pm Post

There are no plans for a web-based version of Scrivener at this time. -- Katherine
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Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pm Post

pgafinch wrote:Long time user of Scrivner. I use Mac and Windows. - - - I would hope that one day there could be a web based version that I could access files on any computer that had Internet access.


How do you imagine a web based version would handle the multi-file format of Scrivener projects? Do you know if there is any web based app that handles multi-file packages stored on a computers hard drive?
I am a user, writing non-fiction and science, using:
* Mac Scrivener 3 on a Macbook 12”, MacBook Pro 13”, and iMac 27”, all running the latest MacOS
* iOS Scrivener 1 on an iPhone 8, iPad Air 9.7”, and iPad Pro 12.9”, all running the latest iOS

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Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:43 am Post

A web version has been discussed a number of times and Keith's response has always been, 'not planned'. It takes significant resources to provide web based software.

The VERY LIBERAL L&L licence allows you to install on all your home systems, and Scricvenr works great with Dropbox, so I find that wherever I am, I have one of my MB/MBP or iPad Pro able to access the Dropbox files from anywhere.

That's about as close as you will get for the forseeable futuire.

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The big benefit to a web-based version would be sneaky people (like me) who want to use a work computer that they can't install a big program on. Oh well.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:50 pm Post

SnarkyTabby wrote:The big benefit to a web-based version would be sneaky people (like me) who want to use a work computer that they can't install a big program on. Oh well.


A better choice would be to use a portable device: either a laptop or a tablet. That way you won't leave any traces on the work computer at all.

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Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:03 pm Post

kewms wrote:
SnarkyTabby wrote:The big benefit to a web-based version would be sneaky people (like me) who want to use a work computer that they can't install a big program on. Oh well.


A better choice would be to use a portable device: either a laptop or a tablet. That way you won't leave any traces on the work computer at all.

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Yup. If you have any type of Apple iDevice, it is well worth it to purchase and use iOS Scriv. I was shocked how productive I can be on my iPhone 7’s little screen—that is, when I’m not posting here. :oops:
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:25 am Post

lunk wrote:
pgafinch wrote:Long time user of Scrivner. I use Mac and Windows. - - - I would hope that one day there could be a web based version that I could access files on any computer that had Internet access.


How do you imagine a web based version would handle the multi-file format of Scrivener projects? Do you know if there is any web based app that handles multi-file packages stored on a computers hard drive?


OneNote is multifile. Many Microsoft files formats are .ZIP files like PowerBI with a different extension.
There is no technical reasons this could not happen. Its up to them.

I know of at least one Screenwriting software app that is web-based.

Values to web-based are:
Makes collaboration features easier, allows users of systems like Chrome to choose the solution etc.

It's a business decision, a big one. not a technical limitation.

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Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:31 am Post

Google Docs, which is about the same age as Scrivener, still has nothing resembling Scrivener's multi-document format. Individual Google Docs items are completely independent of each other.

Since they have vastly greater resources than Literature & Latte does, and already have a web-based editor, why don't you ask them to add such a clearly trivial feature?

Sorry to be snarky, but anyone who thinks a web-based version of Scrivener wouldn't be a significant technical challenge is welcome to try to write one.

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Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:21 pm Post

wordjoy wrote:
lunk wrote:
pgafinch wrote:Long time user of Scrivner. I use Mac and Windows. - - - I would hope that one day there could be a web based version that I could access files on any computer that had Internet access.


How do you imagine a web based version would handle the multi-file format of Scrivener projects? Do you know if there is any web based app that handles multi-file packages stored on a computers hard drive?


OneNote is multifile. Many Microsoft files formats are .ZIP files like PowerBI with a different extension.
There is no technical reasons this could not happen. Its up to them.

I know of at least one Screenwriting software app that is web-based.

Values to web-based are:
Makes collaboration features easier, allows users of systems like Chrome to choose the solution etc.

It's a business decision, a big one. not a technical limitation.
I’m with you most of the way on this one. I believe this is a business decision, because technically, given the right time, resources, and motivation, anything is possible.

That said, it seems to me the business decision has already been made, with Keith concluding that a web-based Scrivener is not part of his vision.
I’m just a customer.

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Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:19 pm Post

Yes, given sufficient time, resource and $$$$$ MOST things are possible, however L&L are a small company with 1 (Keith) iOS and Mac developer and a couple/few totally tied up on the Win version so their ability to throw obscene piles of money and resources at an effort to achieve an online version (which may or may not be possible due to the technical challenges) are practically zero.

Two of the L&L staff have posted it would be a very difficult task and pointed to a number of previous explanations as to why it’s unlikely to ever happen.

So, it’s far more than just a business decision, but even if it were it’s Keith’s company and Scrivener is his baby, so his decision to make. To steal a bit from his signature, if you don’t like it, go use someone else’s toaster....

As mentioned above, anyone who thinks it’s just a matter of throwing money and resources at it, feel free to invest many $$$ and man-years in trying to prove that.

Meanwhile I’ll just use the great versions of Scrivener available and get on with writing.

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Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:24 pm Post

I fear my post may have been misunderstood. I'll elaborate and hopefully clarify, at the risk of further muddying the waters.

Scrivener's very existence proves that KB is a resourceful fellow who rises to a challenge. With no prior coding experience, he created Mac Scrivener, and then, when iOS development fell apart, he rolled his sleeves up and built that too, teaching himself another platform in the process. Perhaps you believe a web version exceeds his technical skills--hell, he may believe that too--but I don't. His prior successes leave me convinced he can do anything, if he's motivated to do so.

Which leads me to the main point I was trying to make, apparently poorly: Keith seems uninterested in developing a web version. Technical and other challenges aside, IMHO that is really the important thing, and the only important thing.

Perhaps it doesn't fit into his vision of what Scrivener is and should be. Perhaps he doesn't believe there is a pricing model that would make it worthwhile. Perhaps he feels that taking on yet another platform will grow L&L larger than he wants it to be. In a 2010 post in one of the URLs linked above, he stated that he's still not a fan of cloud-based software--perhaps he's still not a fan of the platform, at least for Scrivener. Or, perhaps he feels it is too big a technical challenge for him.

I don't know and I really don't care, which is why I haven't bothered to read through all of the posts linked above. If a Scriv web version is ever released, I would buy it and I'm sure I'd use it, but it's not anything I feel I need. Between iOS & Win 1.9, I'm happy and productive.

But that's enough of me talking about something I really haven't a clue about.

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Jim
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:33 am Post

JimRac wrote:I fear my post may have been misunderstood. I'll elaborate and hopefully clarify, at the risk of further muddying the waters.

Scrivener's very existence proves that KB is a resourceful fellow who rises to a challenge. With no prior coding experience, he created Mac Scrivener, and then, when iOS development fell apart, he rolled his sleeves up and built that too, teaching himself another platform in the process. Perhaps you believe a web version exceeds his technical skills--hell, he may believe that too--but I don't. His prior successes leave me convinced he can do anything, if he's motivated to do so.

Which leads me to the main point I was trying to make, apparently poorly: Keith seems uninterested in developing a web version. Technical and other challenges aside, IMHO that is really the important thing, and the only important thing.

Perhaps it doesn't fit into his vision of what Scrivener is and should be. Perhaps he doesn't believe there is a pricing model that would make it worthwhile. Perhaps he feels that taking on yet another platform will grow L&L larger than he wants it to be. In a 2010 post in one of the URLs linked above, he stated that he's still not a fan of cloud-based software--perhaps he's still not a fan of the platform, at least for Scrivener. Or, perhaps he feels it is too big a technical challenge for him.

I don't know and I really don't care, which is why I haven't bothered to read through all of the posts linked above. If a Scriv web version is ever released, I would buy it and I'm sure I'd use it, but it's not anything I feel I need. Between iOS & Win 1.9, I'm happy and productive.

But that's enough of me talking about something I really haven't a clue about.

Best,
Jim



I agree, though I have no idea how to write script (and I wouldn't presume to), I think a web-based version - even with very limited functionality compared to the software - would immensely benefit people who use shared computers. As a student, I am unable to access my thesis (which I am writing with Scrivener) on university computers because the administration locks the ability to install software onto them. I know it's a minor hassle since if I know I want to be writing I'll bring my laptop with me, but I would prefer not to have to carry it on me all day if I know I'll be using campus computers. And, because my research database is also contained on my laptop, it would be helpful to be able to open Scrivener on another computer so that I am not constantly flicking between screens,

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Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:17 pm Post

kewms wrote:Google Docs, which is about the same age as Scrivener, still has nothing resembling Scrivener's multi-document format. Individual Google Docs items are completely independent of each other.

Since they have vastly greater resources than Literature & Latte does, and already have a web-based editor, why don't you ask them to add such a clearly trivial feature?

Sorry to be snarky, but anyone who thinks a web-based version of Scrivener wouldn't be a significant technical challenge is welcome to try to write one.

Katherine


Someone please tell me how to turn off the manager in me and turn on the writer...Here is the manager speaking;

First and foremost, I would like to express my appreciation for this excellent and well-crafted product. You all do good work, and it certainly wasn't by *chance that I opted for Scrivener after much trial and research.

That being said: what you're doing is questionable entrepeneurship. Given all the threads and posts on this topic, there is clearly a market for this feature. Passing off the difficulties in the endeavour (of which there are surely plenty) by telling your users that they themselves should make a technical design for you is nonsense and in poor taste. They are aspiring writers, not IT engineers.
If you can't give your customers what they want, then try to present them with an interesting alternative. Don't try to make it their fault. That's not how you run a business.

Regarding the idea of a web version: it would add the last bit of flexibility to make your product truly universal.
I find my writing motivation popping up at the most erratic of times and I would like to make use of it when it arises.

There is a good chance that I am going to part ways with my beloved Scrivener and opt for an online version. Not because there's anything seriously wrong with Scrivener (there isn't), but simply because the online version is what I personally need right now.

I hope you take this post as a well-meant suggestion. I think L&L and Scrivener are excellent and I hope that both still go a very long way.

Edit: *by chance
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