Scrivener + Scapple ... writing and mapping on the same application

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AmberV
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Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:30 pm Post

I don’t believe that Scapple will lose many users as a stand-alone program. Let’s be honest: if I have to create a complicated or extensive and nested mind map, I won’t reach for Scapple - you should be that honest.


I’m probably not following what you mean, but the point of Scapple is that it is not a tool for making these kinds of things. There are already good tools for that, if this is what you need. You might even be able to start with Scapple and end with one of them, if that is how you prefer to do things. We are quite honest about that, everywhere. It is a simple freeform text editing tool for quickly capturing thoughts, no making complex diagrams.

As it has been said in this thread before, and in the knowledge base, and in many other threads: we have no plans to combine these two completely different programs together into one.
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Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:35 pm Post

AmberV wrote:
I As it has been said in this thread before, and in the knowledge base, and in many other threads: we have no plans to combine these two completely different programs together into one.


Scrivener and Scapple are two different applications, and should remain that way in my opinion. Although very adaptable, Scrivener has a methodology behind it whereas Scapple is intentionally freeform. I often start in Scapple and move to Scrivener when things have been roughed out in the former, or go back to Scapple when I need a bit more freewheeling before heading back to Scrivener again.

Harping on requests I have made earlier or chimed in when others have made them, there are two changes that would make Scapple a 10/10 for me.

1. The first is stacks that have drag-and-drop reordering rather than the pretty fiddly way that it works at the moment.

2. The second is background shapes that can be named -- like how connections can be named now. And for Scrivener to pull those background shape names into itself when you drag them into it. At the moment, dragging a background shape with notes directly into Scrivener calls the resultant folder with the notes it contains as docs "Group [and "Group 1"," Group 2" etc if more than one shape dragged at the time]. Dragging or importing an OPML exported from Scapple into Scrivener ends up with "Shape, Shape 1" etc -- names generated by Scapple itself in the OPML. I love that you can get a layered hierarchy from the flat Scapple file into Scrivener, but when you have a lot of background shapes it would be perfect if you could get them in with folder names that you nominate.

[If I'm aiming for the stars, also when exporting to OPML and using the "create notes field", I'd like an option where the resultant export had the "text" attribute as the 1st line and the " _note" attribute had the 1st line stripped out of it -- much like the way there's that option in drag-and-drop direct from Scapple boards to Scrivener. Oh, and curved connections -- but I realise how tough that one could be as KB has explained.]

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Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:37 pm Post

AmberV wrote:
I don’t believe that Scapple will lose many users as a stand-alone program. Let’s be honest: if I have to create a complicated or extensive and nested mind map, I won’t reach for Scapple - you should be that honest.

.... It is a simple freeform text editing tool for quickly capturing thoughts, no making complex diagrams.

I'm right here with you. That's exactly what my work with Scrivener starts with: fast capturing of thoughts. Nothing else has Papyrus integrated.

AmberV wrote:As it has been said in this thread before, and in the knowledge base, and in many other threads: we have no plans to combine these two completely different programs together into one.



OK, too bad.

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Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:39 pm Post

KenRandall wrote:-- So, I had the exact same thought / wish / idea ... a slight variation, it would be great to have the "Cards" be the nodes in the mindmap as an option to viewing the corkboard.


This is a good idea. I would like that too.

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Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:56 pm Post

https://scrivener.tenderapp.com/help/kb/common-feature-requests/embedding-scapple-within-scrivener
The stuff written here is full of limiting beliefs. I recommend rethinking this because this feature would be mindblowing.

[..]Scapple on the other hand has no concept at all of linear order or nesting. What does dragging a note up and the left mean, in terms of where that note should end up in Scrivener's outline?[..]


This shouldn't have any effect at all (like the freeform corkboard)! This is the whole point! The diagram is a thinking and planning tool that should allow a different view on the story than the view that already exists. For example, one could create a diagram of the event order (and even parallel events), while the outline represents the sujet - the told order of events. Or something entirely different.

If the elements in scrapple are objects (in terms of object-oriented programming), providing a link between the two data structures is as simple as implementing a pointer to the parent element in the outline.

There is software that is far more complex than Scrivener that was able to integrate other software (e.g., Studio One and Notion).

It is worth noting that integration with Scrivener does already exist.

Unfortunately not. The data is redundant and not updated when I edit one or the other - which would be necessary during the writing process. Plotting, rearranging, rewriting, ... all this happens at once.

Please reconsider this!