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Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:54 pm Post

My largest issue with this idea... Since when have the "rules" actually mattered when it comes to writing? I enjoy playing with words and do not want a pile of squiggles telling me I have to comply with a rule that destroys the rhythm of what I'm working on. "My voice", as others have often called the way an individual writer ... writes, should be unique to me and not some automate clone of grammar rules.


And you're free to ignore any suggestions such a system would make. You'd even be free to — gasp! — turn such a system "off" if you wished, I'd imagine. Free to not use it at all. (I know, it's a radical concept, the idea of not using a provided feature because you don't need it, rather than having it not available at all to anyone else who might actually need it or want it.) Those of us who do want to follow basic grammar rules, however, and who do delight in working within the established parameters of the English language, would like to have Scrivener support some measure of telling us when we get things wrong or right, however. I don't think this is too far of a bridge to cross for a piece of software that bills itself as being "y'know, for writers."
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:12 am Post

subgeniuszero wrote:
My largest issue with this idea... Since when have the "rules" actually mattered when it comes to writing? I enjoy playing with words and do not want a pile of squiggles telling me I have to comply with a rule that destroys the rhythm of what I'm working on. "My voice", as others have often called the way an individual writer ... writes, should be unique to me and not some automate clone of grammar rules.


And you're free to ignore any suggestions such a system would make. You'd even be free to — gasp! — turn such a system "off" if you wished, I'd imagine. Free to not use it at all. (I know, it's a radical concept, the idea of not using a provided feature because you don't need it, rather than having it not available at all to anyone else who might actually need it or want it.) Those of us who do want to follow basic grammar rules, however, and who do delight in working within the established parameters of the English language, would like to have Scrivener support some measure of telling us when we get things wrong or right, however. I don't think this is too far of a bridge to cross for a piece of software that bills itself as being "y'know, for writers."


Maybe read my reply up-thread for why it is a bridge too far?
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Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:00 pm Post

subgeniuszero wrote:Those of us who do want to follow basic grammar rules, however, and who do delight in working within the established parameters of the English language, would like to have Scrivener support some measure of telling us when we get things wrong or right, however. I don't think this is too far of a bridge to cross for a piece of software that bills itself as being "y'know, for writers."

The trouble with that statement is that structures like the passive, that software grammar checkers mark as "incorrect", are part of the "established parameters of the English language", and in fact are so basic that we all of us use them every day in our speech without noticing. So the 'rules' that you are wishing to follow are not those of the English language, but those of some self-appointed pundits who have decided what is to be considered too difficult to understand.

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Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:09 pm Post

KB wrote:Maybe read my reply up-thread for why it is a bridge too far?

Considering the outcome of a previous expedition who really went a bridge too far, I hope KB is wise enough to stand by his statement in teh reply up-thread. Going a bridge too far may end up in disaster, for some involved.
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Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:43 am Post

lunk wrote:
KB wrote:Maybe read my reply up-thread for why it is a bridge too far?

Considering the outcome of a previous expedition who really went a bridge too far, I hope KB is wise enough to stand by his statement in teh reply up-thread. Going a bridge too far may end up in disaster, for some involved.


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Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 pm Post

Very fun to listen to Stephen Pinker talk about all the No-Nos that are not.

non-rules: dangling bits, preposition placement, splitting phrases,...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5J6BfToSw

Lots of links to his other vids on this page.

Maybe a modifiable plug-in for Scrivener that could provide some grammatical suggestions?

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Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:28 pm Post

Keith—

Please, no prose-editing software. We are wordsmiths here. Experimenting with language is what writing’s about.

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Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:09 am Post

shrumpkin wrote:Keith—

Please, no prose-editing software. We are wordsmiths here. Experimenting with language is what writing’s about.
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You're right. 8) However, when I think about prose editing, I recall one not so good story that once happened with my friend. He composed a few funny short stories and read them on one of the literature evenings we had in our town.

Imagine what was his rage, when he discovered that one of people who was there on that night, published a storybook with some of my friend's stories! Yes, this person has presented them as they were his own. My friend used online plagiarism checker and showed our lit community the report with direct percentage of similarity. Besides, he made a lot of posts in social media about this case. After all, this storybook was withdrawn from our local bookstores.

So, even if you are inspired by some well-known story (I believe everyone was once inspired by the story of Romeo & Juliet or by detective stories of Agatha Christie, etc.), it's editing and wit that will let you compose your own story without violating any laws. Make the most of Scrivener and don't afraid to try some extra tools e.g. Power Thesaurus to make your writing rich and memorable.
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