Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:19 pm Post
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:00 pm Post
yosimiti wrote:I get your interpretation of bloatware to refer to the processing capability of the user. Indeed, I'm not arguing that Scrivener emulate MS Word. That would be silly. And would be a headache to use.
But I'm wondering if there could be two modes. (1) a simple mode with minimum features, distractions and the like and (2) an advanced mode with all the bells and whistles, so that we don't ever have to use any other app for any of our particular writing needs.
This is a simplification I guess, but sometimes this whole 'let's make an app that's as bloat-free as possible' attitude kinda gets in the way of innovation.
Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:16 pm Post
Jaysen wrote:You've oversimplified the issue into one of "processing capability on the computer". The real issue is more "the processing capability of the user".
That said, I think scriv is alrady bloated. I've never used screenwriters mode on purpose. Look at compile. And soon there will be styles... It's not a word processor, right? then why do we actually need all that to knock off a draft?
Then again, opinions are like ...
Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:48 pm Post
Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:41 pm Post
OTOH, I agree with you about styles. Completely. It will delude yet more noobs (like myself at one time) into thinking that you MUST do formatting while composing. IMHO, Scrivener is best used with minimum formatting while composing, and maximum formatting in compile -- and this should be far more clear both in documentation and in interface.
Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:54 pm Post
Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:12 am Post
I didn't mean to imply that stirring the soup is a bad thing...yosimiti wrote:Yes Silverdragon, I do enjoy stirring the soup. Sometimes. But I promise to respect everyone's ideas, and really, I'm more interested in what others think on the subject of bloatware ultimately.
People might rant that there are too many options in MS Word, that it's too confusing, etc. And this might be why I should continue to use Scrivener, so on and so forth. But I don't know. It ain't rocket science, and even the most complicated software, can be learned with time.
This is not to say, that I'm not going to continue with Scriv -- I am. It's just that the whole 'bloat-free' attitude just doesn't seem so strong an argument, as it once was. Complexity isn't bad. It's frustrating, yes. But it does have its benefits. And this whole 'using one app for this' and another 'app for that' attitude seems unnecessarily finicky. There are times where I just wish I had one app for everything, the lazy arse writer that I am.
Feel free to butt-heads guys. Just want to know your thoughts. =)
Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:03 am Post
yosimiti wrote:This is not to say, that I'm not going to continue with Scriv -- I am. It's just that the whole 'bloat-free' attitude just doesn't seem so strong an argument, as it once was. Complexity isn't bad. It's frustrating, yes. But it does have its benefits. And this whole 'using one app for this' and another 'app for that' attitude seems unnecessarily finicky. There are times where I just wish I had one app for everything, the lazy arse writer that I am.
Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:13 am Post
Jaysen wrote:A few of us have been in the rodeo a long time. simple, purpose built apps perform tasks better from both a user and business perspective. If one finds that the simple, purpose built apps does not meet their expectations... I'm sure there is a different app that will.
Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:59 am Post
Silverdragon wrote:Actually, I am a rocket scientist, ....
BTW, the way rocket scientists keep track of all that complexity is lots of eyes on the design, testing and testing and testing, thousands of checklists and sign-offs, and prayer. Even then, sometimes the damned vehicle explodes.
Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:15 pm Post
Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:32 pm Post
lunk wrote:Bloatware tend to become like a Swiss army knife. You can do almost anything with it, because it got all kinds of tools, anything you can think of. And still, no real craftsman ever uses one. They all use specialized tools, designed for exactly the task at hand.
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