Scrivener on Kindle Fire?

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Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:14 pm Post

lunk wrote:
Sanguinius wrote:Apple doesn't do what I want it to do. That doesn't make my dislike of it petty. If I can do what I want with another type of device, I'll use that device. Apple devices have never done what I need them to do. When they decide to change their business model, I might give them another look.


... which in essence means that you won't be able to use mobile Scrivener, because it won't be available for other mobile platforms in the foreseeable future. I respect your decision, in the same way that I expect you to respect L&L's decision to only having an iOS version of Scrivener. Each and everyone has to live with the consequences of their own decisions.

I've never said I didn't respect any of L&L's decisions, and I resent the implication that I haven't. I've never been one to foam at the mouth for a mobile version as I do my writing on my laptop and desktop computers. Doing much writing on mobile isn't something I really enjoy much. But I understand that there are other people that do enjoy it. If they make one for Android, I'll be happy to check it out and I'll be the first in line asking to beta test.

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Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:41 pm Post

Never mind. You like what you like, I like what I like. I won't tell you how to live your life, you don't tell me how to live my life.

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Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:04 am Post

Sanguinius wrote:Apple doesn't do what I want it to do. That doesn't make my dislike of it petty. If I can do what I want with another type of device, I'll use that device. Apple devices have never done what I need them to do. When they decide to change their business model, I might give them another look.


Unless I've missed it, you've never specified what Apple doesn't do that you desire. What is it?
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Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:44 am Post

Dain wrote:
Sanguinius wrote:Apple doesn't do what I want it to do. That doesn't make my dislike of it petty. If I can do what I want with another type of device, I'll use that device. Apple devices have never done what I need them to do. When they decide to change their business model, I might give them another look.


Unless I've missed it, you've never specified what Apple doesn't do that you desire. What is it?

Before I edited my most recent post, I had a long explanation of what I don't like about them. I realized after posting it that I didn't feel like having to justify my dislike of a particular brand. So, like I now say in that post, like what you want and I'll like what I want. I won't tell you what to like and I don't expect you to tell me what to like.

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Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:13 pm Post

No one's trying tell you what to like.

However, for those open to it, there remains a comparibly priced, higher specification, quality product available today for iOS Scrivener (as opposed to some possible future alternative), which was the point of my original post.

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Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:17 am Post

The IOS android discussion seems to ignore the fact that many of us already have mobile devices and would like to use Scrivener on them rather than invest in new devices of any sort. I was recently given an iPad mini II and have installed Scrivener on it, which is of some use, but doesn't put enough information on screen, even when I use an external keyboard. I don't want to upgrade to a larger iPad at considerable expense when I already have an 8.9" Amazon Fire with a slew of memory and also work with several windows computers, both desktops (one with a 32-inch screen) and a portable.

If somebody gave me a new 12.9" iPad Pro I'm sure I'd enjoy using Scrivener on it, but there's no way I'm going to invest that much when in every other aspect what I have is exactly what I want. Of course, unlimited funds would also take care of that, but so far they haven't manifested themselves.

I also realize that the Android version will take however long it takes, but asking people to switch to an iPad to use it now seems impractical for those who don't already use a mobile device for most of their computing.

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Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:35 am Post

You don't need to pony up for an iPad Pro to get a good experience.

The iPad Air 2 is pretty cheap these days and makes for a very good experience with Scrivener. My wife has it on her Air 2 and I think despite its age, the Air2 is Apple's best tablet in terms of value and performance.

Like others on this thread, I use my iPad mini 2 as my portable Scrivener device and it works very, very well from my perspective. I use it differently than I do the Mac version (as to be expected), basically I use it for notes and brief writing sprints when I'm outside the house.

As for Android, it's personally not for me. I did the Nexus (7 & 5) and Linux thing for nearly three years but the experience is subpar compared to mac OS and iOS. That said, I've got no animosity towards Android users and would welcome and Android version of Scrivener - I just won't use it!
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Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:30 am Post

Before we finally wised up and switched to iOS, my wife and I lumbered along for years in the miasma of Android. Years of being jerked around by the carriers who refused to update our phones a year after we bought them, years of being jerked around by the manufacturers who larded up these paperweights with their crappy, resource hogging "skins" that hang on like student loan debt. At least in ye olden days, when you bought a Windows box crammed with crapware you could uninstall it. Meanwhile, I still have a Lenovo ThinkPad sitting in a drawer somewhere that's basically a $600 doorstopper. Even out of the box it ran like a broken-legged turtle. Eight months after we purchased it, Lenovo abandoned the Android platform for that tablet line. Thank you for your business, sucker.

Keith has said that the Windows team is "passionate" about bringing Scrivener to Android, that they're "chomping at the bit." Honestly I can't imagine why. Seems to me that developing Android apps is a punishment that could rightly be meted out to child molesters or people who abuse animals.

And, yes, the iPad Air 2 runs Scrivener (and much else) flawlessly. I bought mine a year and a half ago, just updated to iOS 10, and it is as speedy as ever.

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Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:16 am Post

Rubberbat, if you have used an iPad Mini II, then you would get a similar screen experience on a Fire 8.9. Yes it's an inch (Diagonal) larger with slightly greater resolution, however in use there's not that much in it (I've tried both on other apps).

It's not a matter af saying swap from Android to iOS rather than wait (though those who don't wish to wait could do so), but more a case of will it ever work on Fire OS, or even for that matter Android 4.4 (2013), which Fire OS is forked from). iOS Scrivener only works on iOS versions from the past 12 months (roughly). The guys from L&L might have an idea which versions of Android they intend to support, though probably early days.

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Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:58 pm Post

ChrisRosser wrote:You don't need to pony up for an iPad Pro to get a good experience.

The iPad Air 2 is pretty cheap these days and makes for a very good experience with Scrivener. My wife has it on her Air 2 and I think despite its age, the Air2 is Apple's best tablet in terms of value and performance.

Like others on this thread, I use my iPad mini 2 as my portable Scrivener device and it works very, very well from my perspective. I use it differently than I do the Mac version (as to be expected), basically I use it for notes and brief writing sprints when I'm outside the house.

As for Android, it's personally not for me. I did the Nexus (7 & 5) and Linux thing for nearly three years but the experience is subpar compared to mac OS and iOS. That said, I've got no animosity towards Android users and would welcome and Android version of Scrivener - I just won't use it!



I'll second the iPad Air 2. It works really well with Scrivener. Air 2 + Scrivener + bluetooth keyboard = me a happy camper.
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Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:28 am Post

As an Amazon App Developer, I know personally that almost all Android apps (if not, ALL OF THEM) are compatible with the Kindle Fire. If/when L&L decide to make a Scrivener app for Android it *SHOULD* be compatible for your Kindle. You should also be able to sideload Android applications onto your Kindle without any issues. As an Android user, I feel your pain. I know everything seems to be "only for iOS" since I have had to live with that until last month, when I bought an iPad Mini 2 (a great deal!). Good luck with your writing!
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Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:02 am Post

JimRac wrote:

I'll second the iPad Air 2. It works really well with Scrivener. Air 2 + Scrivener + bluetooth keyboard = me a happy camper.


Agreed, it's an outstanding combination in terms of value and performance.
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:56 am Post

markfasano wrote: Keith has said that the Windows team is "passionate" about bringing Scrivener to Android, that they're "chomping at the bit." Honestly I can't imagine why. Seems to me that developing Android apps is a punishment that could rightly be meted out to child molesters or people who abuse animals.


I use Windows computers for a very simple reason: I have a good friend who can build a computer with the features I want on it for me for the cost of the parts and a cheap ticket to my home city to help me transfer everything and set it up.

I'll acknowledge that some of MS's latest games with trying to force everyone to go to Win10 whether they want to or not is annoying.

The fact is -- Macs (or at the time I started with home computing the Apple IIe) have always cost more than double what a Windows machine would. There wasn't the word processor I wished to use available for Apple. And, strange though it may seem in a hyper-connected world, there was no way to transfer files between myself and my co-author, who was on a DOS machine. (Indeed, I have an uphill battle to get her to use Scrivener because she doesn't find it "intuitive." Fine, she can use Word, and as long as she gives me a .doc or .rtf file, I will pull it into Scrivener to work on it.

My husband works on Windows machines at work. He doesn't want to come home and try to learn Mac-language. And I don't want to have to go through his frustration when his Mac doesn't work exactly like his Windows machine at work.

So the base machine has been twice as much, and most of the software (Scrivener being a notable exception) was also extremely expensive. Maybe not by your terms, but looked at through my budget's eyes, Apple is expensive.

I was GIFTED with an Android tablet which I use mostly for shooting videos of my AKC champion Dachshund, who is also a Barn Hunt Master.

I'd love to have an easily portable Scrivener. But I can't afford an iPad. Period.
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:33 am Post

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That doesn't mean that Renault has to build a Ferrari copy to enable me to have a Ferrari anyhow, just because I want to.

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Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:29 pm Post

Marilynx,

As someone who has worked on Windows computers and Macs since the first versions of Win and Mac, ( and cp/m and dos before) and currently run Win 7 (desktop) and Win 10 (under parallels) plus MacOS notebook and iMac, there is almost no getting used to either when swapping across other than remembering several key combos such as ctrl- c Win vs cmd-c Mac.

As for price, on retail notebooks there is not a great deal dif in price when you consider similar quality and spec, in fact for 2 years all Win copies of the MacBook Air were more expensive. IBM just reported their total cost of ownership of Macs is less than for pc. My own experience, in 9 years 4 expensive name brand (Toshiba, HP, Dell) Win notebooks with endless issues, vs last 6 yrs 2 MBP 15, the first only replaced because I wanted the retina screen in 2014. The current one has plenty of life in it and the old one is still going strong with new owner. The old 'Mac costs twice as much' doesn't hold water, quality for quality, spec for spec. I bounce files back and forth between the Win and Mac plus iPad all the time using Dropbox for ease of use. Personally I love things like boot in less than half the time on Mac.

Granted, if you want to build your own, or settle for an ordinary 'box' you can do it cheaper, in fact my Win desktops for almost 20 yrs have all been self builds. That said, while my home build Win is very fast, it is a damn sight bigger and uglier with endless cables vs my 5k iMac 27.

The old claim Mac software is more expensive has been dead for years. Word processing and spreadsheet on Macs/iOS is free vs expensive MS Office, though you can get Office for Mac and iOS if you prefer it. Most other Mac software is extremely well priced, often cheaper than PC equivalent.

For Scrivener there are Mac and Win versions, so everyone get's to go with computer of choice. (I use both)

Only downside, for those who don't want Apple on tablet, for the foreseeable, no Android Scrivener. Android Scrivener apparently will happen, just some as yet unknown time in the future.