lock binder order to prevent accidental reordering

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Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:20 am Post

I see this has been requested over the years:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=850&p=5668&hilit=lockable+binder#p5668

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=25227&p=164511&hilit=lock+binder+order#p164511

But I haven't heard anything recently. It hasn't been implemented yet, has it? It'd be much appreciated--it's WAY too easy at the moment to reorder something and not realize it. I just found out I sent something to the printer (5 copies, each 300 pages) with some sections out of order.

In terms of interface I already see three little icons below the "Binder". How about a simple "Lock" icon that toggles between locked and unlocked?

Thanks for a great product!

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Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:22 am Post

I would really like this too. Scrivener isn't very touch screen friendly and sometimes I'll try to scroll down the binder and end up moving stuff or putting it inside an item.

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Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:30 am Post

I would like to strongly support this. I use a magic trackpad and scroll up and down the binder trying to find something. All of sudden something gets picked up and plopped down somewhere else. The only way I know to fix this is by opening a backup (glad that Scrivener does a good job with backups) and looking at the document order there.

In the Editor you can click on the document name on top and lock the document in place. Couldn't there be something similar for the binder? It could be easy to turn off when you actually do want to move documents (which is much rarer than scrolling) and remain locked when you create new binder documents (something quite different from scrolling which I assume could be easily distinguished).

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Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:38 pm Post

Another vote for this.

The ability to Undo binder document moves might be even more important. I've often had something land where I didn't want it, and it is difficult to figure out how things were.
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Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:59 pm Post

This is an old thread, but as someone that only just barely avoided publishing a book with a scene out of order... this feature is still desired! I have no idea how the scene got moved, only that it was correct when it went to the proofreader and sometime between proofreading and compile it was accidentally moved.

In the meantime, I've got a workaround: Add the whole manuscript as a collection once everything is in the right order, then work with it from the collection. If anything is re-ordered there, it won't affect the binder.

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Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:56 pm Post

+1 for this - there comes a point in the process when things are where they belong & it would great to know they’ll stay there no matter my errant clicks and drags

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Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:15 pm Post

HUGE +1 for this. Other alternative suggestions -- ranging from binder undo's to better mouse pad management -- do not address the core problem.

When you're in a nice writing fugue state, pinging around your binder and looking at characer and research and structure notes, it is WAY too easy to reorder the binder *and not notice it.*

The argument that managing the locking/unlocking of the binder would become arduous -- it doesn't hold water. I want it lockable. Other users do, too. I will gladly accept any momentary frustration caused by trying to edit a locked binder ...
Those who won't accept that, they won't lock it in the first place.

But you know what? I bet they will eventually lock their binders, too, after they find they've accidentally reordered their binder 3 weeks ago and only now are figuring it out.

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Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:52 pm Post

periwynkle wrote:
When you're in a nice writing fugue state, pinging around your binder and looking at characer and research and structure notes, it is WAY too easy to reorder the binder *and not notice it.*



Holy yes, I do this so often. Give us lockable binders, please!

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:31 am Post

Absolutely. This is probably very simple to accomplish, Scrivener gurus … puleeeeese!!!

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:52 am Post

Samyann wrote:Absolutely. This is probably very simple to accomplish, Scrivener gurus … puleeeeese!!!


When I was working as a programmer, I worked under one Chief Technology Officer who made a wise observation: Every thing is simple to the guy who doesn't have to do it.

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:40 pm Post

The easy solution is to use the Outline view as your index to the project. Changes to the Outline view are not reflected in the main Binder unless you explicitly transfer them, so it's safe to putter around to your heart's content.

On the Mac version, you can also use the Bookmarks feature as a Binder-independent path to frequently used files like research notes. (I'm not sure the status of this feature in the Windows beta. It's coming if it isn't there yet.)

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:01 pm Post

If you're finding that binder items are being moved accidentally, I would strongly recommend buying a new track pad or mouse, or checking their sensitivity settings. :) Dragging in the binder uses Apple's standard dragging code, so is no more sensitive than any other area across macOS that allows dragging (and I can think of nowhere that dragging can be "locked" to avoid accidental drags).

@SteveCarterFrogStory: those were wise words indeed. In this case, to disable drags in the binder, the side-effect would be that you could no longer drag Scrivener links into the editor, or documents into the header bar, or all of the other things that drag can be used for; or it might disable all drags into the binder from elsewhere too.

This one is a definite no, sorry!

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:50 pm Post

KB wrote:This one is a definite no, sorry!


Would it be worth the time to create a pinned forum thread that contains "Here are the things that have been asked for that we are definitely NOT doing" topics?
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:14 am Post

KB wrote:If you're finding that binder items are being moved accidentally, I would strongly recommend buying a new track pad or mouse, or checking their sensitivity settings. :) Dragging in the binder uses Apple's standard dragging code, so is no more sensitive than any other area across macOS that allows dragging (and I can think of nowhere that dragging can be "locked" to avoid accidental drags).
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You guys have a great app so please stop the buck passing.

Consider a response like this:

"We use the standard drag/drop code, but I can see from the number of people expressing a problem with this that we need to find some solution, whether that's a lock, and undo, or something else. Please understand that we have a lot on our plate but we take all feature requests seriously. We appreciate the feedback. Thank you."
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:30 am Post

TromboneAl wrote:Consider a response like this:

"We use the standard drag/drop code, but I can see from the number of people expressing a problem with this that we need to find some solution, whether that's a lock, and undo, or something else. Please understand that we have a lot on our plate but we take all feature requests seriously. We appreciate the feedback. Thank you."


Whatever in his response made you think that KB doesn't take the request seriously? You have literally zero clue of what kind of engagement tech support has had with these kind of complaints and what issues they found in common, but I'm willing to bet KB knows quite well, which tempered his response. There are seldom technological solutions to behavioral problems.

People around here take simple *time estimates* as gospel truth and throw hissy cows. Something like what you said above would be seen as a promise to implement the feature yesterday.
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