Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:16 pm Post
Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:46 pm Post
pigfender wrote:#1: Collections! You can set up individual Collections for each of your intended compile formats, and you can re-order them to your heart's content without affecting your Draft. However, there are two things you can't do to them: change them from folders to files (and vice versa), or change their level in the compile heirarchy. If you do these in a Collection without affecting the Draft, you could have a lot more flexibility between writing as you want and compiling as you want.
#3: I'd like to be able to disconnect the level of a document from that of a parent.
The trouble is, if I wanted to start a chapter with a section like this...
... or I'd have to insert blank files as parents - which would give me extra line breaks due to the transition Separators between documents.
#4: In order to make the levels even clearer than they are at the moment, perhaps some gentle column shading in the binder? You can have a on/off switch for purists. You have to admit, the diagram you produced did make it easier to read!:
#5: eBook contents pages! At the moment the title of the entry in the contents page is just simply take from the title of the document (on the Windows version - not sure on the Mac). It would be great if this could also include whatever title prefix and suffix you have set up.
Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:34 pm Post
If they allowed hierarchies, whole structures could be destroyed by deleting a document in the binder,
would add complexity
It would also make things more confusing, not less confusing. At the moment, you look at the documents in the binder and can count down - here is a level 1 document, here is a level 2 document, and so on. But you are saying that you want a document that is at level 3 in the binder to be treated like a level 4 document? That would be weird, and confusing, and I'm not sure how it would confer any advantage.
But realistically, how often would you ever want to do that? I don't think this comes up enough to justify adding such complexity.
that's antithetical to the folder/file structure and would require a completely different binder structure, more of an indented list structure than a file/folder structure.
You would just set the blank document not to be included in Compile (in the "Contents" pane or via the inspector)
there is an easy workaround for these rare situations that doesn't require trashing the entire binder organisation and replacing it with something else.
This sort of thing is useful in diagrams, but it would be very bizarre in the binder itself, I think - it would also go against UI standards.
This is a Windows limitation
Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:28 pm Post
KB wrote:Hi Maelduin,
No one's calling you unintelligent! Far from it. We're just trying to get to grips with the confusion. Your screenshots help - I think I can see the main point of confusion now.
Take another look at your first screenshot, in particular at the "Prologue":
Now look at the options you have ticked in Formatting:
There are three "Section Types" in "Formatting":
• Text groups (text documents with subdocuments)
• Regular text documents.
Each has a different icon. The icons for text groups and regular text documents are similar, with text groups being indicated by the icon being stacked.
Now look again at your "Prologue" document. Is it a folder, a text group, or a regular text document? Look at the icon.
Hopefully, upon looking at it with fresh eyes, you can see that it is clearly a regular text document - it is not stacked; it has no subdocuments itself. Its icon matches the bottom icon in the "Section Types" list of the "Formatting" table:
Note that you have not ticked "Title" for regular text documents, which is required if you want the Prologue's title included.
If you do tick "Title" for regular text documents, of course, then this will affect those "Scene" documents, too, which you don't want. But that's okay. Your "Prologue" document is at level 1, where as your "Scene" documents are at level 2:
So, you need to tell Compile to add titles for your level 1 regular text documents, but not to your level 2 regular text documents. At the moment, you have titles turned off for regular text documents at "Level 1+" - this means at level 1 and at all levels below level 1 (level 2, level 3 etc). You need to select the regular text document row in the "Formatting" table (the third row) and click on the "Add Level" button:
Now you can tell it to turn on titles for text documents at Level 1 (e.g. "Prologue") but not for text documents at Level 2+ (Level 2 and subsequent levels):
Check those settings against your binder. What these settings say are:
• Folders at Level 1+ will only have their titles included. This will affect all folders ("Level 1+", so folders at all levels, but you only have folders at level 1 anyway, so that's not an issue) - "The Curse of the Kidds", "Charlie's Chestnutts" and so on. In the "Section Layout..." pane for folders, you will want the title prefix to add "Chapter <$n>" or whatever.
• Text groups at Level 1+ - I've left everything un-ticked here, because from what I can see of your binder screenshot, you don't have any text groups to worry about, only folders and regular text documents with no subdocuments.
• Single text documents at Level 1 - this will affect your "Prologue" (and your "Epilogue", I'm guessing), because that is at level 1 inside the Draft folder. I've therefore ticked both "Title" and "Text" since your prologue contains text and you want its title included.
• Single text documents at Level 2+ (level 2 and subsequent levels) - this will affect your "Scene" documents, which are single text documents, as you can tell by their icon and the fact they have no subdocuments, which sit at level 2 (they are inside folders, unlike "Prologue"). Thus I have only ticked "Text", as the titles for your chapters are being added by the enclosing folders.
The main thing to remember about the levels in the Compile pane is that you can add or remove them, using the buttons in the top-right of the levels table. The last row for each of the three document types (folders, text groups, and single text documents) will have a "+" after it, indicating that the formatting and options for that level will also apply to all lower levels.
[The epilogue being missing and the PDF having the name Keith Blount and 'ePub Test on it] sounds as though you created the project a little while ago. I accidentally left my name in one of the templates in an earlier version, d'oh. This you can edit in the "Page Settings" pane, though, which allows you to customise the header and footer.
How about this? If you are still confused, send me your project - or a dummy project using the same document structure but with gibberish text - along with an example of how you want it to look when it is compiled, and I will set up the Compile options for you and turn it into a tutorial that we can put on our knowledge base?
All the best,
Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:39 pm Post
AmberV wrote:Indeed, the user manual even has this illustration, which makes sense to me, but then again I made it. Any feedback on what would make this confusing would be appreciated:
Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:21 pm Post
Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:51 pm Post
Maelduin wrote:I don't understand this, quite. When I make document A into a subdocument of document B, the result is that document B turns into a folder. What are these text groups, please?
So I don't turn on titles for Level 1+ in the document group, but I do for Level 1+ in the folder?
I don't now, but my friend seems to be trembling on the edge of asking me to divide some of these scenes into multiple scenes. Would that make a difference?
(I understood - or thought I understood - that ticking Level 1+ affected everything subsidiary to it. But I may be becoming confused between the Level 1+es in folders, document groups and single documents, which I am still really failing to grasp properly.)
Aha - that's what I thought. So if I checkmark the folder at Level 1+ (in other words, the top level), won't that cause that 'Chapter 1' stuff to start up there, and include the Prologue scene and the Epilogue scene?
(I'm not really understanding how the 'Chapter 1...2...3... titles relate to the folder titles.)
I'll have a look at the "Page Settings" pane. But no, I created this project three long harrowing days ago.... oh, wait, there is no "Page Settings" pane; had forgotten that. So I'm stuck with my alternate personality as KB
That's a very generous offer, which I'll take up - thank you. It will, though, have some sub-scenes, because my friend wants to divide up the existing scenes in some cases.
Edit: I've tried compiling it like this; unfortunately, while the prologue now has "Prologue: Mind the Gap" as its title, it also has:
"Created: 4 November 2006, 16:33
"Modified: 28 November 2012, 16:20
"Status: First Draft
Oh, wait, got rid of that; for some reason "Meta-Data" was ticked in the last two levels. Have unticked them.
(Am I right in thinking I should create five more levels below the current bottom one, which is Level 2+, and untick their Title squares? Or would that create subdocuments... and should they be inside folders if that's what they're supposed to be?)
By the way, the # # # in between scenes isn't appearing; I think I took them out of wherever they were in some earlier attempt. Where should I put them back?
Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:46 am Post
Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:13 pm Post
Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:47 pm Post
Maelduin wrote:One small problem left: the # # # separators appear above the title for "Epilogue". Is there any way to have "Epilogue" appear as a chapter rather than a separated scene, without having a chapter title on it? And also, now that the Epilogue is split into five separate scenes, they all have the title Epilogue: Scene 1, Epilogue, Scene 2, etc.
Edit: incidentally, the Search All search still isn't working on this project. Very #weird.
Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:48 pm Post
simeva wrote:One thing, though. As one of the 7% of males with red-green colour-blindness, there are only two different colours in your dots and labels illustration. Maybe change that?
Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:05 pm Post
KB wrote:Tick "Page Break Before" for your "Epilogue" document. Because it is a text document following another text document, at the moment it will just be separated using the text document separators ("# # #" if that's what you set). So just tick "Page break before" for that document, either in the inspector or in the "Contents" pane (where it is abbreviated to "Pg Break Before").Edit: incidentally, the Search All search still isn't working on this project. Very #weird.
Try clicking on the triangle next to the magnifying glass in the search field in the toolbar, and check to see if the search is limited in some way - a menu pops up with options in it, and you might have set it to search only part of the project, or only titles or suchlike, at some point in the past.
All the best,
Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:24 pm Post
Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:56 pm Post
KB wrote:simeva wrote:One thing, though. As one of the 7% of males with red-green colour-blindness, there are only two different colours in your dots and labels illustration. Maybe change that?
I'll be sure to bear that in mind in future, sorry. I should be more sensitive of that, especially since my son is one of the 7% too.
All the best,
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