2nd NOV - LEE'S DAILY UPDATE

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LAP
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Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:39 am Post

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Firstly, thanks to all those kind folks that furnished my last succinct post with kind words of encouragement. Thank you, I must have really needed it because you actually put a smile on my face - a face that's been in frown mode for most of this week.

It sounds pathetic, but I'm still snowed under with bugs, forum posts and emails. Again, I reiterate my apologies if you've sent or posted something that I have not responded to. I will get to it, I just can't say when yet.

Well we have good news and bad news. The good news is we've finished reviewing the RTF code - the core rich text engine. The bad news is we're going to have to re-write a good chunk of the RTF reader code to fix the font bug completely. So far we've fixed it so that it always writes a valid font size, but empty paragraphs still have wrong values. There was an assumption in both the reader and writer that empty paragraphs have no formatting, which just isn't true. We've also identified many other rich text related fixes in the process such as first line indents. We will work on these progressively over the coming weeks but first focus on the more poignant and annoying issues.

We've also confirmed that the typing lag is mainly due to spell-checking (we extensively tested machines with no spell checking libraries installed). Tomorrow we'll work on changing the spell checking code to avoid working quite so much, initially by only rechecking when the user hasn't typed for half a second, later by reducing how much text is checked as well. This will improve performance considerably as spell checking currently checks the entire document everytime a single character is entered on the keyboard - naturally killing slower machines or even faster machines with very fast typist - of which I'm not one.

So, rich text and performance remain priority number one at the moment. I'm trying to get on the forum three to fours hours a day to log new bugs, but it still is not enough. Code fixing is paramount too. If we're all talk and no action we will be hung, drawn and quartered forum style - which will not be pleasant for any of us. Patience is a virtue my father used to say.

My hope would be to release a beta 1.3 with some fixes late Friday this week; Oz time. These fixes will address changing fonts, and a smattering of editor bugs, and the performamce issue. No promises, but I'm hopefull. Next on the agenda will be missing text, importing issues and the sistemtatic anihilation of the less sinsister editor bugs.

I'll keep you posted.

Lee

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:52 am Post

Thanks! I found out about Scrivener through NaNoWriMo and I love it so far, bugs and all.

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:55 am Post

Lee,

You are doing great. I know you must be feeling overwhelmed with all the emails, suggestions, bug reports, and coding you have to wade through each day. But, in a way, this is a good thing. It shows the great desire by users for Scrivener for Windows. I have been waiting for several years, hoping that someday I would be able to use this great program. Now, thanks to you, this is coming about. Take your time, do it well. No rush. Like I said, we have been waiting a long time for Scrivener and waiting a little longer will not be a big deal.

Just remember, take care of yourself. And try and have fun. I am sure having fun learning to use this effort of all your hard work.

Bob

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:04 am Post

Your work impresses me every time i read the daily updates (i know how annoying and time killing bug hunt in source code can be). Do not feel bad when you cannot answer everything instantly, i do not think anybody will take this personally and it has lower priority imho. And please ... do not overwork (do you sleep at all? :shock: ). So, i command you ( :!: :wink: ) to have a break ... now ... drinking a loooong cup off coffee, reading in a good book etc.

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:20 am Post

It sounds pathetic, but I'm still snowed under with bugs, forum posts and emails. Again, I reiterate my apologies if you've sent or posted something that I have not responded to. I will get to it, I just can't say when yet.


That's what happens when you become a developer. With a small team, it isn't easy. Take pride that having community focus being part of your agenda and goal is something that only a splatterful of developers really care about.

Listening to us complain and complain is, perhaps, annoying at bits, and extremely heavy with work at other times, but the very fact that you do merits our respect. This respect can't be bought over with a free, fully functioning product, or a well designed product. It is the close knit connection between developer and consumer that turns a project like Scrivener into one with a dedicated cult following.

I'll probably, also, wait until the bug fix at the end of the week before I try breaking stuff again, particularly with the new editor, along with running through some old bugs to check that they are indeed fixed and not broken after new fixes.

Take a breath of fresh air and a stroll out in the warm (?) air of Oz. The fact that you care about us all the more means we should care about you too! :)

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:22 am Post

Oh what good hands I'm in. This community of writers rocks!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:23 am Post

LAP wrote:Oh what good hands I'm in. This community of writers rocks!


Haha I rather spend my money supporting people like you and the entire Scrivener project than put them in the pockets of some massive corporation bent on world domination.

Of course, assuming you people aren't aiming for world domination. If you are... sign me up? :P

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:47 am Post

Just wanted to add my own thanks for all the hard work. You guys are doing a great job and I think even with the bugs (at least the handful I've run into) I'd still want to buy the proper version when it's released!

Keep it up, good luck, and remember to take a break occasionally! :)
Here since 2010! It's been a while!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:13 pm Post

I have tried almost all the other writing software for Windows. The last one was so difficult to learn that learning the software became the purpose for being, not the writing. I did finish a novel but it was too much work.

I have known about Scrivener for years so I am glad for all the work you have done and are doing. Like one said above take your time, do it right and do it well.

I am a lucky one, as the beta is working better than expected for me, mostly text editor quirks. I can live with them while you build the future end product. I have resumed writing after a long slump of nothing. I love the way Scrivener works. It's so easy to get up and get going. I have had more than one project open at a time each in their own window and able to work between them without a problem. This is a great ability as I often flit back and forth between projects.

I am using a quad-core computer with Windows 7. I also put Scrivener on my netbook running XP; it's working there as well.

Great work and great software; thanks Lee and of course Keith and the other Scrivener team members. Thank you all so much. Love it.

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:20 pm Post

Just wanted to jump in with more thanks and encouragement. I picked up Scrivener (for Windows) on a whim, and am now using it very happily to participate in my first NaNoWriMo! I love the way the program is organized. There's enough flexibility to satisfy tweakers, but out of the box it just works, and works well. My own experience it of it has been good so far, and since beta 1.2 I've been working in it without a problem. My main focus is the corkboard for outlining and the editor (mostly fullscreen mode) for writing, and both have been working well.

Thanks for all the hard work!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:33 pm Post

Ditto Encouragement Post:

Lee--I love it, love it, love it! I feel so cool using Scrivener, and you should feel so cool for all you have already done. We're on your side, take your time, enjoy your life a bit, and keep doing your great work!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:49 pm Post

The Linux beta is amazing. :D I've been using it to write this year's NaNoWriMo novel, and it's made a tremendous difference in my workflow. Thank you so much for taking the time to give us our own native version of the beta. I don't think there are many developers out there who would bother with preparing and releasing an unexpected Linux version while taking care of a massive beta test for Windows. We Linux users got lucky! Much gratitude to Lee and the whole L&L team. :D (Now bearded Alice better get back to the rabbit warren and see about getting some more writing done. :wink: )
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No matter how ephemeral it is, a novel is something, while despair is nothing.
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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:56 pm Post

Like everyone else, I worry about your working yourself to death. Step away from the keyboard sometimes, eh? Eat, drink, sleep, kiss the wife and pat the dog.

What I mostly want to say is THANK YOU for having evidently nailed THE most important aspect of writing software: PRESERVING OUR WRITING.

For all the bugs, mostly minor, some not, I haven't seen a single person complain that the program lost some writing. Kudos!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:57 pm Post

I wanted to echo others - I love this program! I'm using it for NaNo and I hit my word count yesterday times two and wanted to keep going because of how nice it was to write.

Keep up the excellent work. :D We appreciate it so much.

You're awesome!

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Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:57 pm Post

norm311 wrote:I have tried almost all the other writing software for Windows. The last one was so difficult to learn that learning the software became the purpose for being, not the writing. I did finish a novel but it was too much work.

I have known about Scrivener for years so I am glad for all the work you have done and are doing. Like one said above take your time, do it right and do it well.

I am a lucky one, as the beta is working better than expected for me, mostly text editor quirks. I can live with them while you build the future end product. I have resumed writing after a long slump of nothing. I love the way Scrivener works. It's so easy to get up and get going. I have had more than one project open at a time each in their own window and able to work between them without a problem. This is a great ability as I often flit back and forth between projects.

[...]

Great work and great software; thanks Lee and of course Keith and the other Scrivener team members. Thank you all so much. Love it.


Seconding this. I can focus on my writing and not the software.

Thank you so much for making my life easier.
Blessings, Stacey

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Scrivener 1.9.7 / 2.8 /3.0.3/1.1.5 (1301)
Scapple 1.0.0.0
Windows 2.9.0.10 Beta