Does doing this make your Scrivener lag?[ADDRESSED]

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Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:54 am Post

Hmm I might have just found another reason why.

1. Close down the program completely and start it from scratch.
2. Make a new document project.
3. Make some new text files under "Draft". As many as you would think feasible in general usage.

Now, I notice two observations when I do the procedures rapidly.

1. If you delete some of the text files and have them move to trash (I used the "del" key), then start typing in one of the undeleted text files, it starts to slow down significantly.

2. If you clear your trash permanently, the same slow-down seems to happen.

Now, I noticed this on my own computer, but I'm not sure if this is what you people might be experiencing.

Other observations I'm making (and while trying this) are probably beyond the limits of what the program is designed to do (Making a lot of text files quickly, deleting a lot of them quickly), which seems to also be causes for slowdown and lagginess overall.

Hardware: ASUS 1000HE, 1.66Ghz Atom, 1 GB RAM

OS: Win XP SP3

EDITS:

I'm testing both duo-pane and single-pane views. It seems to happen a little more with duo-panes than single.

I can confirm that this is happening to me, but I'm not sure exactly why or whether I'm the only one experiencing this. Could someone else with a crappy computer (Or netbook? :P) give it a shot? ;)

If this procedure makes Scrivener lag for you, please post down your specs so Lee can attempt to isolate the problem given the varying amounts of specifications that computers have. This MAY not be the only cause, but may be an insight into one.
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Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:03 am Post

I had not noticed this with creating docs and deleting them rapidly.

I do know that within the editor, especially with fast typists, complex or long documents there does appear to be a performance issues that we'll need to provide fixes for. There's lots of things that will need to be optimised and I have raised a bug along these lines.

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Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:07 am Post

Could possibly be my end though, hardware or otherwise.

Trying to stress test it at the moment. :)

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Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:09 am Post

We are thankful for your support :)

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Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:11 am Post

Do you guys have a target desire for min specs for Scrivener to run on? I do know that Netbook specs, especially the netbook I'm using tend to be on the low side and definitely not up to par with your C2D Macs and what not, so any slowdown I might experience may be due to hardware issues.

It would be interesting to note, since windows PCs have very and vastly differing specifications.

If I'm experiencing lag because of a hard-ware issue, others may be too. If you are planning to target netbook users, then this might be of a concern, albeit how completely unlikely one would make and delete that many text files within the program.

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Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:00 pm Post

Laxaria wrote:I can confirm that this is happening to me, but I'm not sure exactly why or whether I'm the only one experiencing this. Could someone else with a crappy computer (Or netbook? :P) give it a shot? ;)
@Laxaria:
I followed the procedure you described and - yes - the editor lagged to the point of actually freezing for about 8-10 seconds.

Hardware:
Brand new (less than 6 months old) Dell inspiron mini netbook
Intel atom processor
1.66GHz speed, 1 GB RAM.

Software: XP, Service pack 3

I type at about 70wpm

The netbook is actually pretty fast and copes ok with most programs. I went ahead and made six or seven documents in rapid succession, and then tried to type and... it froze XD

EDIT:
It also gets pretty laggy if I leave it idle for a while (i.e. shrink the window and work on other things) - when I come back to it, it seems to have slowed right down.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:37 am Post

I'm also having a lag issue, a huge one. I've created two chapter note cards along with a few notes on each and keywords I will be using in each chapter. When I started typing a test paragraph the first three words showed up instantly followed by a long lag. I closed and reopened the program and continued with the test paragraph at which point I timed a 33 second delay from the time I finished typing a 10 word sentence until the first word showed up.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:48 am Post

Guess I'm not the only one experiencing this problem.

If I were to throw pot-shot guesses, the way the program handles the creation and deletion of files may need a little bit more looking over.

It is interesting to note that this seems to be affecting NetBook users as well.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:13 am Post

I can reproduce a delay (generally only a second or two) by switching to a very long document (32,033 words, 183577 characters). It doesn't hang or crash things. No delays in typing, but I'm a ponderous writer.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:16 am Post

Hmm...

I'm starting to believe that this is a problem that plagues netbooks in particular due to the lowered CPU processing speed and, in most cases, RAM.

While most modern computers can run Scrivener, if doing this procedure causes lag build up in NetBooks, it isn't very good.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:45 am Post

I should have specified on my previous post that I am actually experiencing the lag issues on my regular laptop, not my netbook (haven't tested it there yet). My regular laptop is less than a year old and has 3G RAM and a dual core processor.

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:40 am Post

I am also having a problem. When I'm trying to write something in the document notes section, Scrivener lags for a good minute or so before showing my text. Also, a couple of letters from the beginning of my note doesn't show up.

Did that make sense? I'm sorry if it didn't. I'm computer-talk illiterate. . .

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:52 am Post

crissisong wrote:I am also having a problem. When I'm trying to write something in the document notes section, Scrivener lags for a good minute or so before showing my text. Also, a couple of letters from the beginning of my note doesn't show up.

Did that make sense? I'm sorry if it didn't. I'm computer-talk illiterate. . .


I understand what you mean by Scrivener lagging, but does doing what I outlined in the first post cause the source of lag for you?

If it does, what specifications of the computer are you running?

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Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:19 pm Post

I did a more thorough "Stress Test" today to try to track down the source of the lag. (specs posted above, Mr. Lee-man!!)

1. Created new project
2. Created 8 or 9 pages in the draft, one after the other
3. Typed in one or two (a couple of sentences in each)
4. NO LAG
5. Deleted five or six pages, in quick succession
6. Typed another few sentences in one of the remaining documents
7. NO LAG
8. Emptied trash
9. NO LAG
10. Created a folder under "Draft" and populated it with about 8 documents
11. Typed a little in one document
12. SLIGHT LAG - barely noticable (I noticed because I type fast), but a hint that the buffer was running a bit slow
13. Deleted some documents from the folder, typed some more
14. SLIGHT LAG - mainly noticeable on the delete/retype of words spelled wrong, but still workable (if a little annoying)
15. Created two more folders under "Draft". Draft now contains three folders, each with a few documents in (about 8 or 9) - plus a few stray documents not in folders
16. LAG APPROX. 5 SECONDS - The lag is now noticeable. The longest lag I timed at five seconds - I typed about five words, nothing but the first letter showed up, I counted five seconds and then the whole lot was there.
17. Deleted all of the documents in one of the folders (it had about four in it) and then emptied the trash folder
18. LAG APPROX. 6 SECONDS - so roughly same as before
19. In the now-empty folder, I created three subfolders (without documents in)
20. I went back to type in one of the free-standing documents.
21. LAG NOW APPROX. 7 SECONDS - again, the first letter shows up, then a 7 second delay, then the rest of what I typed
22. I created a document in the subfolder of the folder (so in Draft>Folder 1>Folder 2> *new document* )
23. LAG APPROX. 9 SECONDS - the lag is worse in the document actually contained in the subfolder, and the subfolders seem to be making the lag worse

Just to confirm, I typed about five or six words to test the buffer and then waited to see how long it took for them to show up.

This fits with the experience I had a first, when I was using my own (non-test) document - I had three folders under draft, and each folder had three sub-folders, and the subfolders had documents, and I experienced the lag.

I also experienced a more general lag with Scrivener when I first installed it, which I solved by shutting everything down, turning off the computer and then starting again from scratch (I hadn't restarted the computer properly for over a week). This might also implicate the processor speed, because I think the processor was slow because of me being lazy and not restarting (just hibernating). But there is definitely also an issue with making folders and subfolders, as this seemed to trigger the lag for me.

EDIT
I just downloaded the update with the bug fixes... and the lag is gone!! After all my testing...... :roll: However, this might indicate that the problem was to do with the dictionary? Since that was one thing that was fixed in the update file.
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Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:02 pm Post

I just downloaded the update with the bug fixes... and the lag is gone!! After all my testing...... However, this might indicate that the problem was to do with the dictionary? Since that was one thing that was fixed in the update file.


But doing my procedures I noted makes me lag still... Hmmm...