Enhanced Windows dictionary options?

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Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:14 pm Post

Does anyone know if the V3 for Windows will ship with some better dictionary options?

The v3 beta is better at this than the released v1 for Windows, but it still seems badly limited. Today I had to teach it that 'flatbread' was correct. Granted I use a lot of grandiose vocabulary and I expect not to have those words recognised, but something so commonplace as 'flatbread' seems a bit much.

So will there be a better dictionary? An easy way to obtain/link to (additional) enhanced dictionaries? Maybe even a nice thesaurus to go with it?

Cheers!

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Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:49 pm Post

Clee_Hill wrote:So will there be a better dictionary? An easy way to obtain/link to (additional) enhanced dictionaries? Maybe even a nice thesaurus to go with it?


Scrivener v3 for Windows uses the Hunspell library, which means you can find all sorts of enhanced dictionaries out on the net and install them for yourself. You'll have to do a bit of searching both here on the forums and out on the Net for the specific processes to do so at this time. We have been given no reason to believe that there will be some sort of integrated UI for doing so beyond what is already there, at least for the v3 release, given they are focusing on trying to fix existing bugs and not add new features until 3.0 actually ships.
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Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:26 am Post

Thanks for that, I'll check it out.

Given the necessity of a good dictionary and, I would argue, an erudite one, I would consider the in-built capability to select alternative dictionaries as a necessary feature that should be there from the beginning, but then I'm the kind of person who is in love with the physical edition of the OED.

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Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:43 pm Post

Clee_Hill wrote:Thanks for that, I'll check it out.

Given the necessity of a good dictionary and, I would argue, an erudite one, I would consider the in-built capability to select alternative dictionaries as a necessary feature that should be there from the beginning, but then I'm the kind of person who is in love with the physical edition of the OED.

FWIW, try these (Windows 3 beta):
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=57882

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=53204

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=53318

I use this one at the "insane" level (English only)
http://app.aspell.net/create
Of course, after each update of the beta you will need to put your dictionaries back in the right spot and remove/replace the installed dictionary.
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Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:54 am Post

Thanks for the advice and links - and I now have a mega-insane dictionary so hopefully less teaching will ensure.

This really needs to be a feature, as dropping into subdirectories and renaming downloaded files is somewhat klunky.

Cheers

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Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:29 pm Post

I just to endorse the desire for a better, more comprehensive dictionary in v3. Personally, I make extensive use of WordWeb Pro, which includes things like the Oxford and Chambers dictionaries. However, it doesn't translate so easily into use for Scrivener. If It could be made to do so, that would make me very happy. But any other solution would probably be better as well. Regardless, a better dictionary is necessary.

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Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:42 pm Post

Jestar wrote:
Clee_Hill wrote:Thanks for that, I'll check it out.

Given the necessity of a good dictionary and, I would argue, an erudite one, I would consider the in-built capability to select alternative dictionaries as a necessary feature that should be there from the beginning, but then I'm the kind of person who is in love with the physical edition of the OED.

FWIW, try these (Windows 3 beta):
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=57882

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=53204

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=53318

I use this one at the "insane" level (English only)
http://app.aspell.net/create
Of course, after each update of the beta you will need to put your dictionaries back in the right spot and remove/replace the installed dictionary.


And you've got to spell the replacement dictionary files exactly the same way the originals were spelled. This may give some people problems. My solution is to rename the existing files with a suffix of ".old", and then rename the two new files in the directory by copying the leading text of the filename and pasting it. You'll have two files: en-US.dic and en-US.aff, in the case of US English.

There are many dictionaries out there for hunspell. Libreoffice dictionaries. for example, are compatible (they have to be unzipped and renamed, as I recall, but they will work).

I prefer the ones generated at http://app.aspell.net/create, myself.
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:44 pm Post

devinganger wrote:
Clee_Hill wrote:So will there be a better dictionary? An easy way to obtain/link to (additional) enhanced dictionaries? Maybe even a nice thesaurus to go with it?


Scrivener v3 for Windows uses the Hunspell library, which means you can find all sorts of enhanced dictionaries out on the net and install them for yourself. You'll have to do a bit of searching both here on the forums and out on the Net for the specific processes to do so at this time. We have been given no reason to believe that there will be some sort of integrated UI for doing so beyond what is already there, at least for the v3 release, given they are focusing on trying to fix existing bugs and not add new features until 3.0 actually ships.


There were some hints that they were going to be looking at better dictionaries, but nothing concrete.
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:06 am Post

Folks, thanks for this great info. I've swapped out the default dictionary for the Aspell insane model. :mrgreen:

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Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:50 am Post

JimRac wrote:Folks, thanks for this great info. I've swapped out the default dictionary for the Aspell insane model. :mrgreen:

Best,
Jim

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Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:00 am Post

I went 'insane' too as I found the number of times I was having to teach the default dictionary correctly spelt words that were not 'rare' or 'obscure' was intruding on my writing. Hopefully an official option will come in due course.

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Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:42 am Post

Thanks for the suggestions. I've upgraded my dictionary too, and after some experiments, everything is working. However, I would like to make a request for the future. Please could the option to ignore spelling for words in ALL CAPS be added, and could that include all caps with punctuation? Every time I type a name with initials in front of it (which, as a historian, I do frequently), I have to add those initials to the dictionary. Many thanks.

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Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:35 pm Post

I hope it is OK for me to piggyback on this thread with a related question about the dictionary in Scrivener for Windows.

It is possible for me to import or otherwise make available to Scrivener the custom discretionary that I use in Microsoft Word and Office? This is plain text file (filename.dic) that can be edited in any plain text editor.

Is the the answer the same for S1 and S3?

Thank you..
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Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:08 am Post

Jestar wrote:
JimRac wrote:Folks, thanks for this great info. I've swapped out the default dictionary for the Aspell insane model. :mrgreen:

Best,
Jim

Welcome to the insane! I blame rwfranz. :twisted:

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Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:17 am Post

Mad Girl Disease wrote:I hope it is OK for me to piggyback on this thread with a related question about the dictionary in Scrivener for Windows.

It is possible for me to import or otherwise make available to Scrivener the custom discretionary that I use in Microsoft Word and Office? This is plain text file (filename.dic) that can be edited in any plain text editor.

Is the the answer the same for S1 and S3?

Thank you..

You could try it. I'm not sure word and office use Hunspell, though. you can look in the hunspell directories in the Scrivener directory and see how similar the files are, but Hunspell also uses filename.aff. I do know that Libre and Open Office use the same spellchecking libraries and their dictionaries are usable (they're zip files that have been renamed, so unzip and rename them). I do know that many of Adobe's spellcheckers are based on hunspell, so their dictionaries should be usable (I have not checked them personally, but they should be).

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