Re: Just about out of patience
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:18 am
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kewms wrote:The beta is available for download whenever you like.
Stamping "Windows Scrivener 3.0" on the current beta, releasing it, and charging money for it will have ZERO impact on the quality of the code.
So people who are "out of patience" are demanding that they be given the opportunity to pay for code that our developers believe is not yet ready.
What could possibly go wrong?
How will these people react if, come January 15, they have gotten their wish, paid their money .... and encounter a critical piece of missing functionality, or a showstopper bug, or something else that demonstrates that yes, in fact, it really was beta quality code?
Probably not with outpourings of delight and appreciation.
When Windows Scrivener 3.0 is ready to release, we will release it.
Thanatos0042 wrote:I personally believe it's pretty narrow minded and unreasonable to dismiss people who complain when they have had their expections set and then reset and set and reset and then finally told to expect nothing.
…When you then leave vaccuum of real updates and don’t try to get a handle on the narrative it’s not really fair to expect people to change their behavior and act differently.
I don’t know L&L’s criteria for when V3 will be considered production ready. Others here have testified that they’ve been using the beta versions productively without major problems.
By comparison some vendors will ship software if there are only a few obscure problems that few users are expected to encounter and decide to fix those in updates.
There is a natural suspicion to the quality and stability of software identified as beta but it seems by now any major issues have been worked out.
devinganger wrote:It has been shown over the course of the lifetime of Scrivener for Windows that people are going to complain no matter what L&L does because they feel entitled to something, no matter HOW L&L tries to set the expectations. No matter how carefully worded the blog post, no matter how many times they use terms like "estimated", there is always a vocal minority who let slip with the raging entitlement and come in with toxic attacks.
ZeroDrawn wrote:I take issue with this
AmberV wrote:That blog post you mention stated in black and white that no estimations will be made until it is done. You seem to instead be referring to a quoted text from the change log instead. That was a regrettable thing to speculate about, I’ll admit, but taking that away as the "next estimate" is a clear misinterpretation of the actual post, and the statement we made of our policy going forward.
So knowing that, perhaps you will feel better about it all. Now it is just a missed launch date with a firm statement that our next launch date will not be calculated during the development phase, and that in addition we would no longer speculate even broadly, since some people even take estimates as being hard expectations.
Thanatos0042 wrote:I can see that, by reading through the beta post when it's updated. It's not exactly out there or easy to see unless you are specifically looking to download the beta and then, there really isn't much in there, except the bug squishes.
ZeroDrawn wrote:...while the blog post itself caps off by the writer noting they are the developer of the mac version. This means there are two people saying two things that may or may not conflict with each other.
AmberV wrote:Ah, it might not have been pointed out in the post, but the person writing is the closest thing to a "CEO" that this company has. So when they say there will be no future estimates, that's really the thing to keep underscored. But as I said, ultimately I agree with you in that what was quoted was a regrettable comment considering the context. I'm not sure what else I can really add.