Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:33 am Post
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:43 am Post
kewms wrote: There have also been some recent critical updates to the release version of Scrivener for Windows. Are those also "disheartening?"
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:52 am Post
kewms wrote:jesuslpgc wrote:3. 1.9 it's a product marginally cheaper but greatly lacking when compared to Mac's v3. Windows dimes are as good as Mac's- Products should be something similar and by golly after almost three years they've had time enough to deliver. I don't think nobody does is harmed by venting their impatience... a way to remind the good people of Literature and Latte that they made a promise.
Where are you getting "almost three years" from? Mac Scrivener 3 was released in November, 2017.
Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:21 am Post
Synth wrote:was that useful or constructive?
Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:27 am Post
Ensorcell wrote:I think that what most people are feeling is frustrated. I too purchased the Windows version in expectation of Version 3 coming out soon. Did we buy the software before the Ver 3 release with knowledge that it was not yet ready? YES. Absolutely. But... When I purchased it , the web site insinuated, led me to believe, that version 3 for windows would be released before the end of the year. That was 2018. Now here is it well over 10 months after the suggested release date and it is still not available.
Ensorcell wrote:In my experience once a product has gone into beta testing and/or is expected to release on a certain date, then it should be relatively soon if not before that date. 10 months or more later is excessive. Hence the reason many of us are unhappy about the situation.
Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:28 am Post
Probably from the fact that in 2016 you announced there would be no more free updates for 1.9 because 3.0 was right around the corner. Fair enough, but it's been three years since that announcement and all that can be said for a Windows release is that you're right on track to miss all of 2019 as well.
Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:50 pm Post
Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:38 pm Post
DavidR wrote:Devinganger, you've helped countless people solve real, solvable problems on these forums (another thing that newcomers, focusing only on the release date issue, may not know). But IMO (note lack of H), snark like "self-important screed" and "Oh, you're cute too" is worse than unhelpful. Put tacks in your pea shooter if you want; just be careful not to inhale. (And don't try telling me I'm cute; I already know. )
Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:18 pm Post
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:17 pm Post
devinganger wrote:DavidR wrote:Devinganger, you've helped countless people solve real, solvable problems on these forums (another thing that newcomers, focusing only on the release date issue, may not know). But IMO (note lack of H), snark like "self-important screed" and "Oh, you're cute too" is worse than unhelpful. Put tacks in your pea shooter if you want; just be careful not to inhale. (And don't try telling me I'm cute; I already know. )
But you *are* cute!
I try to be kind and helpful, I really do. It's not always my first instinct, and I have had to cultivate it as a deliberate choice over my adult life. Having said that, watching people jump into a community and ignore all of the context while only focusing on their own narrow sense of entitlement, and doing so while going out of their way to crap on people, is not behavior I will ever again let slide.
People who pride themselves on brutal honesty ("I'm not insulting you, I'm just stating facts") all too often spend so much time focusing on the "brutal" that "honesty" gets sacrificed. And I'm not down with that. If people are going to be bullies, I'm going to call them on it. If L&L don't like that, they can delete my account now.
Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:18 am Post
Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:01 am Post
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:28 am Post
DavidR wrote:I think the divide we're seeing is between long-time and relatively long-time Scrivener users (like me), on the one hand, and people who bought the program a year or so ago.
The former have been around long enough to get to know Lit & Lat and its staff, and appreciate their dedication, integrity, and hard work. We're disappointed and chagrined about how long v. 3 is taking; but we also know how small a shop it is, how unwilling they are to ship an advanced beta as a finished product, and how useful either v. 1.9 or the advanced beta of v. 3 actually is.
The latter, as ensorcell exemplifies, bought a program that they thought was going to be updated to v. 3 in the very near future, based on statements L&L was making at the time. Those statements were regrettable and regrettably off-target, and L&L has regretted them, publicly and more than once. But that doesn't change the fact that they were made, and that they raised certain expectations in new customers.
These two viewpoints reflect two different experiences, and I think we ought to be able to put down our pea shooters long enough to acknowledge that there is valid experience on both sides. Long-time users are not just being cultishly defensive; newer users are not just whining. And neither group is getting jack done that is worth anything while sniping and counter-sniping at the others (and do remember, it's just pea shooters).
Ensorcell's question "When does someone draw a line and start throwing resources at getting Version 3 for Windows completed?" seems reasonable, except that there just aren't any more resources to throw. Please do remember the pittance you paid for Scrivener. It's intentionally priced for starving artists to buy; but that means starving the development staff in turn.
Devinganger, you've helped countless people solve real, solvable problems on these forums (another thing that newcomers, focusing only on the release date issue, may not know). But IMO (note lack of H), snark like "self-important screed" and "Oh, you're cute too" is worse than unhelpful. Put tacks in your pea shooter if you want; just be careful not to inhale. (And don't try telling me I'm cute; I already know. )
Bottom line: very few people come here just to be aggravating: they're frustrated, they need help, they want to help. A little bit of considering the other person's perspective can go a long way toward (heh) de-visualizing whirled peas.
Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:31 am Post
devinganger wrote:Synth wrote:was that useful or constructive?
You don't feel that it's constructive when someone says you're cute? I personally find it very constructive for my self-esteem, but your mileage may vary, I guess.
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