Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:21 pm Post
Prometheus wrote:You and others have no idea just how badly you come across
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:45 pm Post
jesuslpgc wrote:Not being a native speaker of English I'm pondering.
What's the time frame here? Up to 3 weeks and 6 days? Not a month. Or having said month(s) 3 weeks and 6 days... I mean. After the initial anger, unjustified on my part, perhaps, and I'm not a programmer, perhaps it's not so much an issue of programmer and their skill but the programming language, or the compiler, or the platform their writing their code on. I hope once they reach the V3 plateu , they can have a breather and plan better strategies and tools for the future.
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:48 am Post
I was about to recommend L&L products to a larger group of peeps who may not yet all know about these tools, and I thought I'd quickly check to make sure all updated versions will be available this weekend as promised again and again and again.
Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:31 pm Post
lunk wrote:Prometheus wrote:You and others have no idea just how badly you come across
Have you read your own posts, and thought about how they come across?
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:35 pm Post
Prometheus wrote:I am, however, pointing out that anyone who even dreams of saying something with even a whiff of VALID criticism gets taken down by certain people in this forum, and may get a rude remark by someone representing the company itself.
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:08 am Post
Prometheus wrote: The problem is that the ranters have problems writing, and instead of realizing that the problem lies within themselves they want to have some external factor to blame.
When Win Scrivener 3 is officially released, what will you then blame for your inability to finish that novel you have been working on for so long?"
I am, however, pointing out that anyone who even dreams of saying something with even a whiff of VALID criticism gets taken down by certain people in this forum, and may get a rude remark by someone representing the company itself. You think that's ok? Good for you. I don't.
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:36 pm Post
Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:24 pm Post
sidderke wrote: Apple, the richest company in the world with a probably *very* bright team of hundreds (if not thousands) of coders, is also missing deadlines of their iOS 13 software, pushing back a lot of features to 13.1 and 13.2. They did this the past 2 years as well. Software is complex, and is getting more complex all the time.
Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:26 am Post
Astaff wrote:Prometheus wrote: The problem is that the ranters have problems writing, and instead of realizing that the problem lies within themselves they want to have some external factor to blame.
When Win Scrivener 3 is officially released, what will you then blame for your inability to finish that novel you have been working on for so long?"
I am, however, pointing out that anyone who even dreams of saying something with even a whiff of VALID criticism gets taken down by certain people in this forum, and may get a rude remark by someone representing the company itself. You think that's ok? Good for you. I don't.
That’s rich. Calling those who choose to defend L&L ranters when the whole discussion started with a number of ‘rants’ about L&L, demands for consequences etc.
A couple of those you are accusing of ranting were criticised for saying that those who were complaining were using it as an excuse for not writing and now you are levelling the same accusation against those who chose to object to some of you and other posts. Think about it, we are the ones who are quite happily working with Beta 3 and while wishing for a speedy release acknowledge the challenges of development. So you claim doesn’t pass the smell test.
valid criticism is welcomed by L&L and staff (and no, Katherine was NOT rude) but the hysteria from some who attacked L&L, demanded consequences, demanded a change to a whole new dev platform etc was not valid criticism, it was a dummy spit.
Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:28 am Post
lunk wrote:Prometheus wrote:I am, however, pointing out that anyone who even dreams of saying something with even a whiff of VALID criticism gets taken down by certain people in this forum, and may get a rude remark by someone representing the company itself.
Yes, of course.
What is ”valid criticism”?
In what way are posts that only present the poster’s personal feelings of disappointment, or anger, or frustration that Win version 3 is not officially released, examples of ”valid criticism”?
Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:37 am Post
Prometheus wrote:I think it's entirely valid for people to voice their disappointment and frustration with yet another delay.
Prometheus wrote:And there have been valid suggestions - I, for one, suggested that they not post release dates at all, given their history. Do you not think this is a valid criticism and comment? It is.
Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:24 am Post
devinganger wrote:Prometheus wrote:I think it's entirely valid for people to voice their disappointment and frustration with yet another delay.
Which is all fine and good...but some people have moved beyond that to personal attacks. There is a line between "I'm really frustrated" and "wow, you guys are jerks and deserve to go out of business."
There is also the problem that no matter *how* L&L have stated their dates in the past, there is a sizeable minority of people who see it as an iron-clad promise (rather than an estimated date, a progress update) and use it as an excuse to create a new account and start attacking L&L.
Prometheus wrote:And there have been valid suggestions - I, for one, suggested that they not post release dates at all, given their history. Do you not think this is a valid criticism and comment? It is.
Not releasing dates at all has been their stated policy for several years now, but ironically in this circumstance, the only reason we got the date in that blog post at all is become of some toxic Windows beta testers who didn't want to accept that policy. Lee and Tiho were trying to communicate in good faith, and boy will they never make that mistake again.
Yes, L&L has made communication mistakes in the past, and I am sure they will do so again. They are only human. But at the end of the day, guys, this is just software. Nice software, but not life-or-death software. Software that has been deliberately engineered so that you can hit the eject button on it at any moment. There is no justification for the level of vitriol some people are prepared to throw at L&L for every little disappointment that comes their way. And until some of y'all recognize that L&L's mistakes don't justify the inevitable and depressingly predictable crap-storm that comes their way, and learn how to police the worst of your responses, there will continue to be those of us who stand up and defend L&L, because, damn, get some perspective already.
Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:08 pm Post
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