Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:54 pm Post
Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:46 pm Post
Revision levels are not to be considered equivalent to “track changes”, as seen in version controlled software, or Microsoft Word. They are very simple, low bandwidth tools, that only mark modified or new text. Removed text will not be marked in any way. If you wish to track all changes between a document and its revised state, take a look at the snapshot feature (section 15.8).
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:02 pm Post
Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:42 pm Post
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:41 am Post
AmberV wrote:The use of a different name for the feature than “track changes” was very deliberate. The user manual’s description of this feature goes out of its way to be very clear about what it is not, with a bright yellow warning box in the introduction to §18.6, Marking Revisions, and also cross-references you to a feature that might be more what you’re looking for:Revision levels are not to be considered equivalent to “track changes”, as seen in version controlled software, or Microsoft Word. They are very simple, low bandwidth tools, that only mark modified or new text. Removed text will not be marked in any way. If you wish to track all changes between a document and its revised state, take a look at the snapshot feature (section 15..
I would add one caveat to that—you can overstrike text, and it will be marked in red (or whichever level you’re on) for doing so. The compiler can be set up to strip out struck through text like this, effectively deleting it without physically removing it from the editor. And as for that, there is a menu command to do so at a later point, once you’ve determined it really should be deleted. There are multiple techniques like this that one can use by combining features in Scrivener. I write about some of them in this post.
But by all means, move on to other software if you find Scrivener so annoying! It’s an option for some types of writers, not something meant to appeal to everyone. Personally I would stop writing entirely if I had to use a word processor and Track Changes. It would suck dry the very desire to even try. I would use a pen and paper or a manual typewriter before I used such a system (and indeed that is precisely what I used before Scrivener). But obviously you feel differently, and if such things are so appealing to you, then maybe a program that doesn’t have precisely something like that would be as stifling and soul-destroying as Word would be to me. Thank goodness we have options in life.
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:49 am Post
JimRac wrote:Hi Michael,
I want to be sure what you're saying.
What I think I heard was that you found Scrivener has a feature you've never used before, called Revision Mode. It sure does sound promising, so you decide to try it out.
But instead of cracking open the manual and reading Section 18.6 (*one* paragraph) that clearly explains how it works, or using it on a test page first, or asking about it here, or even, God forbid, making a backup of your MS. prior to making your changes--before doing any of these quick, easy, sensible things, you decide the best way to try out the feature is by whacking away "important parts of my manuscript"?
Did I get that right?
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:31 am Post
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:48 pm Post
I certainly wasn't saying anything about your mental capacity. I was pointing out that your actions--wading in and deleting text with an untried feature and zero due diligence--were foolhardy.michaelp23 wrote:Your attitude is insulting but I will entertain you attempts to make me look like a person with a limited mental capacity.
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:53 am Post
lunk wrote:So if I assume that Track Changes in Word is Microsofts version of Snapshots in Scrivener and get disappointed, then Microsoft is at fault, not my expectations?
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:22 am Post
michaelp23 wrote:You are doing a poor job defending the scummy company Lit&Latte is.
Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:18 pm Post
michaelp23 wrote:There is nothing that suggests 'Track Changes' in word is similar to 'Snapshots'. The names are clearly very different unlike 'Revision Mode' and 'Track Changes'.
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:21 pm Post
devinganger wrote:michaelp23 wrote:You are doing a poor job defending the scummy company Lit&Latte is.
I realize that you're probably quite a bit embarrassed about your mistake and upset about potentially losing material, but it is your mistake. There is no need to call L&L names. They go out of their way to warn users to *read the manual* because their software *does not* work like a "normal" word processor.
Katherine has already given you potential steps to help recover the material you may have inadvertently deleted, and others have given you pointers to the features in Scrivener you will need to learn to keep this from happening again.
What is more important? Being "right" and getting someone else to apologize for your mistake (never happening), or getting your data and either learning how to use Scrivener more effectively OR moving back to a program you're more comfortable with?
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:23 pm Post
AmberV wrote:Let me just ask you one thing, michaelp23: do you consider a blue background and white text to be the purest and most correct form of interface for real writers?
Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:25 pm Post
lunk wrote:michaelp23 wrote:There is nothing that suggests 'Track Changes' in word is similar to 'Snapshots'. The names are clearly very different unlike 'Revision Mode' and 'Track Changes'.
Well, you’re actually wrong. Revision mode is used in script writing to automatically highlight changes that have been made to a script so that the production crew knows which parts have changed. It is used in other softwares for script writing and is generally named Revision mode because it shows to others where the script has changed, been revised.
Isn’t it logical to assume that things that are the same have the same name, and things that are different have different names? If Revision mode had been Track changes, why would L&L choose to call it something else?
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