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Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 12:24 am
by shrumpkin
Hi L&L Team,

First, I’d like to thank you for all you do. You’re constantly answering questions from boneheads like me. For that alone, you deserve all the beer in the world. :lol:
Second, I LOVE Scrivener.
Third, the shortcut on the Navigate>Move Focus To>Header Bar Title keyboard shortcut (ctrl + option + command+ T) does not work, even though the command works if I choose the same command via mouse click! I even went into the global Apple Menu>System Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts>App>Scrivener and assigned the same shortcut myself.
Same. Nothing. I looked for a conflict used by another application, but nothing there either. I should note that all the other keyboard shortcuts are indeed working: Binder, Right and Left Editors, etc. The Header Bar’s shortcuts seems to be the nutty professor of the bunch.

Thanks for your time,

Michael

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:08 am
by JoRo
Hi, Michael.

If you press CMD S (to save a project), you should notice at the very top of the screen that the File menu is momentarily highlighted, indicating that it and one of its sub-items has been activated.

Pressing CTRL OPT CMD T should highlight the Navigate menu, as Move Focus To Header Bar Title is a sub-item of that menu.

Do you see the Navigate menu being highlighted when you press CTRL OPT CMD T? If you don't, that would suggest a conflict with another app.

In Apple Menu > System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts, has CTRL OPT CMD T been assigned to any other app / menu command (not just in Scrivener)?

Which version of Scrivener are you using? In an early build of Scrivener 3, there was a glitch with CTRL OPT CMD T that impacted on formatting: not exactly your issue, but ...

Tried rebooting the Mac / restarting Scrivener?

Does it work if you create an entirely new shortcut for that menu command?

Slàinte mhòr.

EDIT: See also: viewtopic.php?p=261267#p261267

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 12:51 pm
by shrumpkin
Thank you for the reply, JoRo.

It does not highlight, so there must be a conflict somewhere; however, I cannot find it. It's not listed in system preferences. When I reassigned a shortcut, yes, it works. Thank you.

Now, to find that pesky shortcut that's being used.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 1:13 pm
by shrumpkin
I found the shortcut: In Pages, Under the Format Menu>Advanced>Define As Placeholder Text, and it's grayed out. I changed it, in System Preferences, and reassigned the Control+Option+Command+T shortcut to Scrivener and ... it still doesn't work. Ugh.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 2:55 pm
by xiamenese
shrumpkin wrote:I found the shortcut: In Pages, Under the Format Menu>Advanced>Define As Placeholder Text, and it's grayed out. I changed it, in System Preferences, and reassigned the Control+Option+Command+T shortcut to Scrivener and ... it still doesn't work. Ugh.

If it's taken in Pages, you might also try looking in Keynote and Numbers if you have them.

:)

Mark

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 7:50 pm
by shrumpkin
Thank you, Mark!

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 9:53 pm
by shrumpkin
Mark,

I have Numbers, and I see the shortcut (same as Pages, as you know); however, I cannot delete it. It's grayed out. In other words, I cannot delete this keyboard shortcut from within the app, only remap it in System Preferences. In which case, it's a different keyboard shortcut. So, it's a wash. Any ideas how I can truly delete it from the Apple apps?

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:36 pm
by xiamenese
shrumpkin wrote:Mark,

I have Numbers, and I see the shortcut (same as Pages, as you know); however, I cannot delete it. It's grayed out. In other words, I cannot delete this keyboard shortcut from within the app, only remap it in System Preferences. In which case, it's a different keyboard shortcut. So, it's a wash. Any ideas how I can truly delete it from the Apple apps?

'Fraid I don't; in fact I'm pretty sure it would not be possible. As for it being greyed out in Numbers, I haven't tried playing around, but I guess you have to be creating a new table-style or template in which you have added a text box. If it's still greyed out, then I can only imagine that either Apple is reserving it in Numbers for future plans, or they have left it in there in the UI without having included the necessary code.

So it would seem to me that you're just going to have to remap it in Pages or remap the Scrivener shortcut. Then the question is, which is going to be more important for you, the "Header Bar Title" shortcut in Scrivener or "Define as placeholder text" in Pages, Numbers etc.

:)

Mark

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 6:19 am
by JoRo
In Ioa’s post...

viewtopic.php?p=261267#p261267

...he mentions checking apps that are running. I take that to mean that if Numbers etc aren’t running, there shouldn’t be a conflict with Apple’s iWork apps.

So, perhaps a more persistent app is causing the issue. Do you use any persistent apps – such as a keyboard utility or a productivity manager – that might be using the conflicted keystroke?

Slàinte mhòr.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 1:52 pm
by gr
The fact that the shortcut is used in other apps does not make for a conflict. If Scrivener is the frontmost app, then no Numbers shortcut (for example) is going to snag that key combo. So, don't look for another app shortcut, but you might look for some global shortcut (other categories in the "binder" area of the KEyboard shortcut Pref pane.)

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:49 pm
by shrumpkin
gr wrote:The fact that the shortcut is used in other apps does not make for a conflict. If Scrivener is the frontmost app, then no Numbers shortcut (for example) is going to snag that key combo. So, don't look for another app shortcut, but you might look for some global shortcut (other categories in the "binder" area of the KEyboard shortcut Pref pane.)

HI GR,
Thank you for your response. I have, however, looked at all of these categories, and none with the keyboard combo—that’s what’s so aggravating. Grr! I’ve added the shortcut Option+Shft+T for the time being, but I would really like to have it how Scrivener intended. It fits with the other focus shortcuts.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:54 pm
by shrumpkin
JoRo wrote:In Ioa’s post...

viewtopic.php?p=261267#p261267

...he mentions checking apps that are running. I take that to mean that if Numbers etc aren’t running, there shouldn’t be a conflict with Apple’s iWork apps.

So, perhaps a more persistent app is causing the issue. Do you use any persistent apps – such as a keyboard utility or a productivity manager – that might be using the conflicted keystroke?

Slàinte mhòr.

Hi JoRo,
I looked at the running apps, but couldn't find any shortcuts conflicting. I do use Things, but that didn't have that shortcut.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:36 pm
by shrumpkin
Please, does anyone know of an application—besides Keycue, because I couldn't get it to search for them—an application that searches for keyboard shortcuts globally?

I really would like to get the Cntrl+Option+Command+T functionality back to Scrivener, as I’m renaming files constantly. I now have a work-around with Shift+Command+T, but it would be great to have the shortcuts similar to each other.

Best,
Michael

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:07 am
by JoRo
Hello.

CheatSheet is similar to KeyCue, but I don't think it allows users to search.

https://www.cheatsheetapp.com/CheatSheet/

Does the shortcut work if you log into another user account on your Mac?

Someone on StackExchange offers a possible way of detecting conflicts (don't know if it works):

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questio ... rd-command

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And CNET offers a way of deleting a user's keyboard plist to force a global reset, though that wouldn't correct conflicts created by different apps, only user-based conflicts:

https://www.cnet.com/news/tackling-keyb ... s-in-os-x/

Wonder if resetting PRAM and / or SMC would make a difference, if there is no hint of a real conflict:

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204063

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201295

Perhaps deleting and then reinstalling Scrivener would help.

Sorry that I don't have an actual solution to offer.

Slàinte mhòr.

Re: Header Bar Title Shortcut not Working

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:45 pm
by shrumpkin
JoRo,

Thank you so much. I'll check all of this out. I have tried logging into a Guest User account, and the same thing happens—namely, nothing. I may need to re-install Scrivener.

Thank you for everything,

Michael