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Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:18 pm
by kewms
polleke wrote:Having already the capability to base its synchronization on text files only, as opposed to the project's RTF-base, Scrivener can avoid the RTF issues explained by Devinganger's 1st issue. And since Scrivener in this way is already capable of synchronizing only the contents of the project without taking the files for the application's internal operations and state into account, the sync-issues as explained in the 2nd issue can be circumvented as well.


This statement is not accurate.

Scrivener does not create or manipulate plain text files unless you explicitly tell it to as part of an export operation. The internal project files containing your work are always RTF.

Moreover, the Import and Merge feature emphatically *does* consider the metadata that defines, for example, the structure of the Binder. That information is part of the "contents" of the project. If you attempt to manipulate the RTF files independent of those structural files, you are almost guaranteed to render the project non-functional.

Katherine

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:30 pm
by sorin
I while I do still hava a license, I think I would no longer use Scrivener until it would use native markdown format. Using markdown would sort the GIT issue and also play well with other tools/platforms.
I may be biased because I need it only for technical writing in a collaborative manner, where multiple people could change it.
PS. I know enough about RTF format to want to run from it at any cost ;)

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:57 pm
by kewms
sorin wrote:I while I do still hava a license, I think I would no longer use Scrivener until it would use native markdown format. Using markdown would sort the GIT issue and also play well with other tools/platforms.
I may be biased because I need it only for technical writing in a collaborative manner, where multiple people could change it.
PS. I know enough about RTF format to want to run from it at any cost ;)


We'll miss you, but this is unlikely to happen.

Katherine

Possible modding?

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:29 pm
by Lethiux
Is there a modding community? Is this a possibility?

Re: Possible modding?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:35 am
by devinganger
Lethiux wrote:Is there a modding community? Is this a possibility?


No, and no.

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 9:13 pm
by seefilms
rdale wrote:I could have just said, "Do a Save As, don't edit the project (or at least don't edit anything the other author will touch), then use the import function when they return the copy. Trash the save-as copies, and create another as needed for your collaborator." Does that sound "insane"? If so, the compile process will break your mind and send your soul into the abyss!

Yep, rdale. It would've been easier had you said that. And yes, I still think it is insane.
In 2006, Apple had a slogan that said: "It just works." Now, anyone who used Apple products knew that wasn't totally true. But they certainly held up far better than the competition.

Sure, what you tell us to do so that co-authors can work on a document together isn't difficult to achieve. But the end result isn't very effective. It's also a pain in the a$$. Especially when there is another piece of software out there that can collaborate very effectively. Is it the same as Scrivener? Nope. Will it allow me to collaborate with my writing partner? Yep.
Hmm... which will I choose... Hmmm............

The fact is, the simple answer to "How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors?" is: You don't. I'm pretty sure Keith would agree with that evaluation.

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 1:53 am
by devinganger
seefilms wrote:The fact is, the simple answer to "How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors?" is: You don't. I'm pretty sure Keith would agree with that evaluation.


Don't presume to speak for Keith, none of the rest of us do.

Your statement as such is incorrect. There are a a few people who are members of the forums who use Scrivener 3 to work on projects with other authors.

They just don't do so *simultaneously* without understanding the project structure, limitations, benefits, and remediation steps.

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:01 pm
by Jack Daniel
Dev is correct.

My co-writer and I have developed a method using DropBox that works pretty well.

But it's still tricky. We have a master Scriv file in a DB shared folder. To edit/write/revise we copy it inside that folder, and immediately drag the copy to a local folder.

Once revised locally, we text, alerting that the master file will be updated (this keeps the other person from opening it independently), then open the master file, drag the new docs into the master, and move the older docs to an 'Older' folder inside the master.

We also initial and date the new docs in the doc title (Scriv updates the mod date if you only look at the doc funny, which is not helpful at all).

Also, revisions by me are labeled with a red icon, by her with a yellow one.

Then the revising author closes the master file on the shared folder. That saves it, and the mod date changes. Then the other person knows the change is complete, by checking the mod date of the Scriv file.

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:13 am
by pigfender
devinganger wrote:There are a a few people who are members of the forums who use Scrivener 3 to work on projects with other authors.
Indeed!

In March of this year I used Scrivener 3 to work on a creative writing project with 72 other authors. We wrote seven books together in a single day, including all writing every single word of prose, and compiling all seven versions into epub, kindle and pdf finished products. Scapple was used for some of the plot development, but the only other software used on the day was Photoshop to produce the front cover images.

So in response to the assertion that Scrivener isn't good for collaboration, my response is is simple: It works exceptionally well for me.

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:37 pm
by RandomExile
pigfender wrote:So in response to the assertion that Scrivener isn't good for collaboration, my response is is simple: It works exceptionally well for me.


That sounds like a complex case study! Would you mind briefly sharing how you coordinated, synthesized, and deconflicted the authorial inputs using Scrivener? Cheers!

Re: How do I use Scrivener 3 with two authors

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:25 pm
by pigfender
I’m afraid it was nothing more complex than using compile to get materials out and import to get materials in.

The trick is not to confuse collaborating on writing a book with collaborating on writing a sentence. It’s all about dividing the tasks up so people are working to bring different things into the mix, not trying to do the same task at the same time. The former is like two people each grabbing an end of a sofa to help carry it up some stairs. The latter is like both people grabbing the same end! Not only is it not helping, you’re actually making it harder.