Label colours in Binder in Scrivener 3

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Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:01 pm Post

Add me to those not happy with either just dots over the OTT full binder width color. I've kicked my colors down to very pale and full width still overwhelms. Guess I'll try stronger colors and just dots.

Since the Windows version isn't done yet, how about making it the old way? :D

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Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:03 pm Post

The only difference is that labels now go all the way across and don't use an old-fashioned gradient, so I fail to see how it's OTT...
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:50 pm Post

It feels OTT to me because the colours are flat. The gradient and oval shape just around the text gave some illusion of depth which helped -- at least, my eyes -- see all the scenes as individual items, rather than just a block of colours crammed together.

I also find it difficult for my eyes to jump to the scene currently open, since the highlighted open file is just another colored bar like all the rest.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not criticising to nitpick or be difficult. I genuinely feel the binder colours were fantastically helpful in Scrivener 2, and now look overwhelming in their lack of separation, and yet a bit too simplistic at the same time.

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:05 am Post

First I want to say I bought a Mac just to have Scrivener in the Mac version, this is how much I love Scrivener, and I'm not alone in that I know :-). And second I will be buying Scrivener 3 because it is mostly pure awesomeness except for this one thing.

I have to agree with everything CL says. I use colour a lot in my Scrivener 2 and coloured labels most of all.
In Scrivener 3 all the differentiation between my books, chapters, first and subsequent drafts and scenes has gone. Full Width in Binder mode just creates a random mass of colours now, and no matter how much I've jiggled the colours it looks.. not good and not at all clear. I can no longer tell which is what anymore, everything is on the same flat plane merged together with no indents.

I suspect it's because I use colour the way I do, and it'd be fine for people using it for first draft, second draft etc only.

The dots are bearable and I'll use them in the absence of the Scrivener 2 labelling and it's just a shame that some way isn't possible of having the much clearer identification that Scrivener 2 labelling has. I shall miss it.

And yes, I'll be using Scrivener 3 because most of it is totally amazing and a major improvement. Just, the labelling isn't. If it could ever be changed to have the option of similar labelling to version 2 I'd find Scrivener 3 perfect!

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Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:26 pm Post

Haters gonna hate, I guess. :P
I like the the new labels. The old ones were dated. I love the new interface. It looks clean and fresh. Good job!

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Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:59 pm Post

owl wrote:The dots are bearable and I'll use them in the absence of the Scrivener 2 labelling and it's just a shame that some way isn't possible of having the much clearer identification that Scrivener 2 labelling has. I shall miss it.
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If you don't already, you can also colour the icons per label, so you can bookend the title in colour. I find this to be effective where the old system was quite overpowering (and the new fullwidth system even more so).

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Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:12 pm Post

annewalk wrote:Haters gonna hate, I guess. :P
I like the the new labels. The old ones were dated. I love the new interface. It looks clean and fresh. Good job!


It isn't necessarily a case of "haters gonna hate" -- that's dismissive of what could be a genuinely serious irritation. Subtle differences in UI can cause a major change in eye and cognitive strain for people.

I can live with the new style and adapt to it, but I really did find the rounded corners and more subtle color gradient to be more soothing on my eyes, especially on one of the frequent days I have a migraine. If we at least had the option to reduce the saturation of the color for the labels, maybe that would help?
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:19 am Post

I'll admit I'm not a fan of this flat look, but I'm looking clclampbell's screenshot and can't see how anyone can't see the older look is so much more clear and readable than this new psychedelic look. Either you have a big slab of, say yellow, with no separation, or a rainbow of colors overwhelming you.

There was no confusion in the old version. And I agree with the "currently open" highlight bar being almost impossible to find amongst the crammed candy-crush colors.

It's a real form over content thing really gets in the way of the writing process. Please at least allow options.

(But I dig the icon emojis.)

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Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:16 am Post

As I've said before I'm not a big fan of the flat look but following a recalibration of my display and a little tweaking via the Accessibility prefs, I find I can quite happily live with it.

However, despite all the tweaking, folder labels appear so washed out as to be pointless. I don't use them a lot as I tend to sort stuff with fancy icons, but on occasion they can be useful. They really do need to have greater saturation and/or revert to the Scriv 2 format. TBH I'd prefer both.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:00 am Post

You still have full control over the label colours, you don’t have to stick with the defaults. I prefer a little more saturation as well; the approach I take in my default starter project is to have a bunch favourites already listed with generic filler names, ready to be pressed into use:

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Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:16 am Post

AmberV wrote:..... referring to how the full-width highlight is full-width, and not just text-indent-width. You aren’t just stuck with dots alone: use View/Use Label Color In/Use Full Width in Binder.
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AmberV wrote:You still have full control over the label colours, you don’t have to stick with the defaults. I prefer a little more saturation as well; the approach I take in my default starter project is to have a bunch favourites already listed with generic filler names, ready to be pressed into use

Thanks a lot for those two very helpful posts which I missed earlier. I've now sorted out the labels and using full width I can probably live with the lower saturation. Great to have this forum.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:09 pm Post

I am surprised that this slider does not effect also the opacity of label colors used as background in Binder rows:

Scriv Prefs > Appearance > Opacity of label colors when used in backgrounds.

Perhaps it should?

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P.s. I don't myself use row-coloring, but prefer to just tint binder icons with label color -- and that already works perfectly, imho.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:24 pm Post

gr wrote:I don't myself use row-coloring, but prefer to just tint binder icons with label color -- and that already works perfectly, imho.
I use row-colouring but would be interested to learn how to tint just the binder icons if that's possible.
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Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:57 pm Post

Hi Tacitus,

View > Use Label Colour in > Icons colours the icon in the cork board, outliner and binder. (It gets swamped if you have the Full Width Binder option set so that has to be turned off to see it — my screenshot further up the page has both the Binder and Icons set, but Full Width unset.)

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Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:14 am Post

brookter wrote:Hi Tacitus,
View > Use Label Colour in > Icons colours the icon in the cork board, outliner and binder. (It gets swamped if you have the Full Width Binder option set so that has to be turned off to see it — my screenshot further up the page has both the Binder and Icons set, but Full Width unset.)
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Hi brookter:
Thanks for this. See what you mean about them being swamped if you have full width set. With only the icons coloured it's not that easy to see, which does suggest a little more saturation would be a good idea. Still it works sufficiently well for what I need as I've generally used the old style full-width label.

Thanks again.
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