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Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:32 pm
by vanessago
I'm having trouble using the footnote feature in Scrivener, and I know I must be missing something basic.

I am able to insert footnotes in Scrivener using the control-cmd-8 key, and I see the footnotes in the "comments and footnotes" inspector. I've tried this with the marker and without. The problem is that when I compile to RTF, no matter how I fiddle with the footnotes/comments compile option, the resulting RTF file has no footnote markers, and no footnotes. They're gone.

I can't find this problem here on the forum, and I feel that it must be something very simple I'm missing. This is embarrassing as I've probably used a couple of dozen different word processors over the last 30 years, but I can't figure it out.

Help!
Vanessa

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm
by vanessago
I see that I'm showing in my profile as a Windows user. I'm actually a (converted) Mac user and have been using Scrivener on Mac for over a year.
Vanessa

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:39 pm
by vanessago
I think I found the solution. I just tried compiling to Word instead of RTF, and the footnotes are there.

Cancel my call for help!
Vanessa

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:00 pm
by mbbntu
It might be worth knowing that if you open an rtf file in TextEdit (the default on most Macs) you won't see the footnotes, because TextEdit doesn't support footnotes. But if you open the rtf file in something like Nisus Writer Pro, you should see them.

Cheers, Martin.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:19 pm
by nom
As Martin said, the issue is with the application used to open the file. TextEdit (which is the default application for opening RTFs on OSX) doesn't display footnotes.If you open those same files in WOrd, the foot notes will display.

Note that when Scrivener compiles to Word format (.doc) it is really just saving an RTF text file with a different extension.

I recommend compiling to RTF, opening those files in Word and then saving as a Word document (either .doc or .docx format). This will give you the greatest control over your footnotes and endnotes.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:14 pm
by Misto
When you compile to RTF - is that the same as exporting?

I have been exporting to word (docx) and although all the footnotes are there as endnotes the doc doesn't recognise them as endnotes ... just as extra text so I can't convert them to footnotes (which is preferable for me).

Any advice.

p.s. I am pretty inept so speak slowly!

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:52 pm
by KB
Compiling (File > Compile...) involves compiling all of the documents in the Draft/Manuscript folder into one long document and either printing it or exporting it to a format of your choice.

Scrivener's .docx support isn't very good at the moment - it uses the standard OS X exporters (the same as found in TextEdit) which don't support true footnotes, headers and footers, images and so on. Therefore, export to the RTF format instead, and then, in Word, go to File > Open... and choose the RTF file you exported from Scrivener. This will have all of the footnotes and suchlike.

All the best,
Keith

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:10 am
by nom
KB wrote:Compiling (File > Compile...) involves compiling all of the documents in the Draft/Manuscript folder into one long document and either printing it or exporting it to a format of your choice.

Scrivener's .docx support isn't very good at the moment - it uses the standard OS X exporters (the same as found in TextEdit) which don't support true footnotes, headers and footers, images and so on. Therefore, export to the RTF format instead, and then, in Word, go to File > Open... and choose the RTF file you exported from Scrivener. This will have all of the footnotes and suchlike.

All the best,
Keith


As an added step to give more flexibility and control over your footnotes, then choose "Save As…" from Word's File menu and save the file in Word's native format (either .doc or .docx). I have found that Word handles footnotes slightly differently depending on whether the file is saved as as an RTF or Word document (with the latter giving better results). Note that this is a quirk of Word, not Scrivener.

To summarise:
1. In Scrivener, compile your project to RTF
2. Open the RTF in Word
3. Use "Save as…" to change to Word's .doc (or .docx) format
4. Edit to your heart's content. :)

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:40 pm
by vanessaj
Hello !

French Mac user, I've tried to follow what you explained, but it doesn't work. Just watch my print screen. I would like my footnotes at the bottom of each page.
I've compiled with rtf file, then opened with Pages and saves as. But... :(

In advance, thanks for your help :D

Vanessa.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:33 am
by mbbntu
Pages has very poor support for rtf. You need to open your rtf file in another word processor -- e.g. Libre Office (free), Open Office (free), Word, Nisus, or some other. The save the file as .doc and open it in Pages.

Martin.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:05 am
by vanessaj
Hi Martin !

Tks for your reply :D .

mbbntu wrote:You need to open your rtf file in another word processor -- e.g. Libre Office (free), Open Office (free), Word, Nisus, or some other. The save the file as .doc and open it in Pages.


I've done it with Open Office, but... :cry:
Maybe there is something I made wrong during compilation. I join print screen of my compile.

Many thanks in advance !

Vanessa.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:24 am
by mbbntu
The first thing I would try is de-selecting "Flatten footnotes and comments into regular text".

Martin.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:25 pm
by vanessaj
Dear Martin,

mbbntu wrote:The first thing I would try is de-selecting "Flatten footnotes and comments into regular text".


It's working :D.
Many many thanks for your time and advises !

Enjoy your day !

Vanessa.

Re: Need help for basic Footnote problem

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:37 pm
by mbbntu
Thanks. I'm glad you got it working. Best of luck with your work.

Martin.