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Fri May 04, 2018 6:34 am Post

Just ran my standard comparison check, & Fantasque is almost as narrow as Ubuntu Mono. (It equals the width of Courier Prime 12 when Fantasque is displayed at 13.9 points.) Not that width would keep me from using it. Just saying. :D
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Fri May 04, 2018 5:25 pm Post

popcornflix wrote:Just in case any screenwriters are reading this, you need to use a 12-point, 10-pitch mono font for screenplays. Otherwise, your page count will be off.

Absolutely right. The ONLY fonts I've found that work to this very narrow specification are the Courier Prime family. Even though I've found other fonts that match the 10-pitch requirement at 12 point font size, ONLY the Courier Prime family have the line height set at exactly 12 points for a 12 point font—not even other Courier variants.

Fortunately for me, I write ordinary fiction (with a programming accent ;) ) so I don't need to stress about line height. Even though I do.
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Sun May 06, 2018 5:33 pm Post

I've been Times New Roman, and switched to Cousine, just to try something different. (And because all of the cool kids here seem to be using it. :D )

Cousine does look less polished. Takes me back to my typewriter days. Which I'm finding is totally appropriate for the first draft I'm in the middle of.

The only challenge is that italics are harder to discern. For you folks using these Courier-based fonts, do you bold italics or do something else to make them stand out?
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Sun May 06, 2018 7:49 pm Post

I've set up a character attribute style, Emphasis, to italicise, colour the text, and give it a coordinating highlight. I could probably do without the text colour. :) What I don't use is the "Draw highlight box around text" checkbox, because that won't show up on iOS. Nope, just garden-variety text attribute highlight. The colour and highlight are easily stripped in Compile. I also switched my keyboard shortcuts so that cmd-I applies Emphasis.
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Sun May 06, 2018 9:40 pm Post

Ah, too bad. That sounds useful, but currently seems to be Mac-only. :(

Looking forward to Win v3... :D
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Sun May 06, 2018 10:01 pm Post

You could still do a preset, but it's not as neat as a style, I grant you. Maybe not TOO much longer on the Windows 3 version...
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Mon May 07, 2018 12:31 am Post

Silverdragon wrote:You could still do a preset, but it's not as neat as a style, I grant you. Maybe not TOO much longer on the Windows 3 version...


I set up a preset in Windows, thanks for the suggestion.

But over in iOS, I can see no way to change the Emphasis style. How do you apply the formatting when you are working in iOS - by hand?
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Mon May 07, 2018 1:09 am Post

I checked this out in the iOS Tech Support forum, and--you're right, there's no way to save Windows Scriv 1.9.7 formatting presets so they can be used in iOS. That stinks, as there was such a way in Mac Scriv 2.8. But it was described as something L&L would have to do as an interim Windows solution which would soon-ish be replaced by true Scriv cross-platfom styles. So evidently you'll have to keep waiting for Windows Scriv 3.

So far as I know, there is no way to change either preset OR style within iOS Scrivener. That's gotta hurt for the folks who want to go iOS-only.
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Tue May 08, 2018 1:07 am Post

Hi Silverdragon,

Very kind of you to confirm that (lack of) functionality, even if I didn't get the answer I wanted to hear. :)

Your feedback upthread on how you set up Emphasis was helpful. I've set up a Win preset that italicises and colors the text with the same blue as the iOS color picker, so I can quickly simulate the Emphasis style by hand when working on the iPad.

That'll work until v3 rolls out!

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Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:14 pm Post

Many years ago I read some of the research about reading comprehension and speed as related to font selection, kerning, and line justification. It probably was in the 80s as computers were replacing typewriters. The conclusions: mono spaced, serif font, with no justification, always hit the highest scores.

Recently, because of learning about screenplay formatting, and playing with Fade-In Pro, I have installed Courier Screenplay for all programs I use for writing.

I also follow advice from William Shunn because the editors at Analog recommend his approach to story submission formatting.
Proper Manuscript Format : Short Story Format
https://www.shunn.net/format/story.html

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Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:04 pm Post

Silverdragon wrote:After using Cousine for a while, I came to the conclusion that I could live with hyphens/dashes not being super-distinct—but I was spending far too much time squinting at the screen trying to tell which way English typographic quotes were pointing. Now I waver between Source Code Pro and Ubuntu Mono. Ubuntu Mono has everything I want in a writing font--except it's too narrow and therefore doesn't match the Courier size (old typewriter Pica.) Source Code Pro is the right size, but its hyphens/dashes are not as nicely distinct as Ubuntu Mono.

And the "r"s in IBM Plex Mono are just as crummy as the ones in iAWriter Duospaced.
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Silverdragon, a belated thank you for not only these posts (and that graphic) but also your blog article about the fonts in general and, in particular, the iA Writer Duospace font. I’d used that font in Scrivener on macOS (and other apps) without trouble, but was frustrated in getting my iOS devices to run it with stability in Scrivener; so finding your comments — especially regarding the em dashes, en dashes, and curly quotation marks — was extremely helpful. Now using Ubuntu Mono at 14-point size and liking it a lot. Again, thanks!
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:58 pm Post

You’re welcome!
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Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:59 pm Post

Silverdragon wrote:The ONLY fonts I've found that work to this very narrow specification are the Courier Prime family.


Other fonts that conform to the Screenwriting requirement of 12-point 10-pitch mono are:

Courier Final Draft (from Final Draft)
Courier MM Screenwriter (from Movie Magic Screenwriter)
Courier Screenplay (from FadeIn)
VTScreenplay fonts - Remington, Oliver, Smith & Underwood (From Vintage Type Foundry)

You can use any of these fonts at 12-point, and your pagination will stay exactly the same.
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Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:23 pm Post

brookter wrote:Hah!

Cat-vacuuming is quite an old term now -- I think I first came across on the old Usenet group misc.writing in the 90s but it's probably a lot older than that.


You know, I recently went hunting for the source of this term. I first heard it as "vacuuming the cat", but that search only netted me YT videos of people... vacuuming their cat. :shock:

I *love* the oddness of the phrase "moogie-hoovering". A personal Hooah! for me was that I recognized *both* terms enough to recognize the saying! :)

Thanks for the colloquialism from the eastern side of The Pond.

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Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:54 pm Post

popcornflix wrote:Other fonts that conform to the Screenwriting requirement of 12-point 10-pitch mono are:

Courier Final Draft (from Final Draft)
Courier MM Screenwriter (from Movie Magic Screenwriter)
Courier Screenplay (from FadeIn)
VTScreenplay fonts - Remington, Oliver, Smith & Underwood (From Vintage Type Foundry)
You can use any of these fonts at 12-point, and your pagination will stay exactly the same.


Does anyone know how to obtain the VTScreenplay fonts? From my cat moogling--I mean web googling--it seems that Vintage Type Foundry is no longer in business?

Thanks!
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