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Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:21 pm
by Easily Distracted
I'm not even sure if I need citation software, as I'm writing a non-fiction piece that isn't a "reference". I'm just writing about what I do for a living.

I see folks raving about EndNote, which goes for $249-$299USD. Is that level of investment required, or even worth it?

Seeing as it takes forever for people to get back to you-if ever-I am primarily interested in the kinds of citations that I can just do without further fanfare.

What are your experiences with Citation software? Necessary? Nice-to-have?
Are there less feature-rich, yet satisfactory for publishers, versions you use?

I'm on Windows...

Thanks!

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:46 pm
by lunk
There are several different alternatives:
Papers3, Sotero, Bookends, Mendeley, ... It's all a question if what you need.

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:38 am
by Tacitus
As the OP said he was using Windows that would rule out BookEnds. Not sure whether Papers is available for Windows but Zotero and Mendeley are.

I'm a long term BookEnds on Mac user, but on Windows my choice would be probably be Zotero. Catherine Pope has written an e-book about writing Theses using Scrivener and Windows - you'll probably find it on Amazon. I appreciate you aren't writing a Thesis but it may prove useful as it also tells you how to integrate citation software with Scrivener.

If you check out her blog: http://www.thedigitalresearcher.com she's also done a couple of articles on how to use Zotero with Scrivener.

Hope this helps.

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:40 pm
by Sanguinius
Easily Distracted wrote:I'm not even sure if I need citation software, as I'm writing a non-fiction piece that isn't a "reference". I'm just writing about what I do for a living.

I see folks raving about EndNote, which goes for $249-$299USD. Is that level of investment required, or even worth it?

Seeing as it takes forever for people to get back to you-if ever-I am primarily interested in the kinds of citations that I can just do without further fanfare.

What are your experiences with Citation software? Necessary? Nice-to-have?
Are there less feature-rich, yet satisfactory for publishers, versions you use?

I'm on Windows...

Thanks!

For the purpose you mentioned, I wouldn't think an expensive citation manager would be needed. Zotero is free and should do what you need it to do. As a graduate student who has much more invested in my citations and references working correctly, I decided to use Endnote, because I'd heard better things about it than many other citation managing software. Endnote works famously, and it integrates nicely with Scrivener in my experience (though it integrates MUCH better with Word, for obvious reasons). Once compiled, it takes almost no work to get all my citations and references in order and looking good.

If you want to go the Endnote route, and if you are a student, you can get a student version for less than half the price you quoted above. It's the same program with the same features; it just has a "Student" badging on it. It's still over $100, but not by much. Again, for your purposes, that might still be way too high (unless you want to go the SUPER poor student route and find a free copy somewhere online). It's kind of a case of what do you need it for, how much will you use it, and will your use and need of it justify the price?

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:50 am
by amcelder
lunk wrote:There are several different alternatives:
Papers3, Sotero, Bookends, Mendeley, ... It's all a question if what you need.


Does Mendeley work with Scrivener? I was just looking into it but it doesn't list Scrivener as one of the softwares it's compatible with.

Thank you!

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:27 pm
by Historiker
Take a look at citavi, as described in this thread. Very good software, free for projects up to 100 references.

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:48 am
by lunk
amcelder wrote:Does Mendeley work with Scrivener? I was just looking into it but it doesn't list Scrivener as one of the softwares it's compatible with.


I wouldn't know. I just listed a few that seem to be popular, for you to check out. I have been using Papers for the last three years and am very satisfied.

About integration with Scrivener: it depends on what you mean. I enter what Papers call 'citekeys' and can do it from within Scrivener, but it's really Papers that does it, not Scrivener. When I am done writing I compile the manuscript into docx format (because the scientific journals want that) and open it in Word, whereafter the citekeys can be transformed into proper citations and the reference list is created.

Mekentosj, the creators of Papers, has a list of which softwares that can do what.
http://mekentosj.tenderapp.com/kb/cite- ... n-macosx-2

I have tested some other citation softwares but didn't like them, for various reasons. It's like it is for all software. Some you like, some you don't, and the only way to find out which it is, is to try them.

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:27 pm
by Easily Distracted
Trying Zotero now.. Nifty niche!

Appreciate the tip!

Sanguinius wrote:
Easily Distracted wrote:I'm not even sure if I need citation software, as I'm writing a non-fiction piece that isn't a "reference". I'm just writing about what I do for a living.

I see folks raving about EndNote, which goes for $249-$299USD. Is that level of investment required, or even worth it?

Seeing as it takes forever for people to get back to you-if ever-I am primarily interested in the kinds of citations that I can just do without further fanfare.

What are your experiences with Citation software? Necessary? Nice-to-have?
Are there less feature-rich, yet satisfactory for publishers, versions you use?

I'm on Windows...

Thanks!

For the purpose you mentioned, I wouldn't think an expensive citation manager would be needed. Zotero is free and should do what you need it to do. As a graduate student who has much more invested in my citations and references working correctly, I decided to use Endnote, because I'd heard better things about it than many other citation managing software. Endnote works famously, and it integrates nicely with Scrivener in my experience (though it integrates MUCH better with Word, for obvious reasons). Once compiled, it takes almost no work to get all my citations and references in order and looking good.

If you want to go the Endnote route, and if you are a student, you can get a student version for less than half the price you quoted above. It's the same program with the same features; it just has a "Student" badging on it. It's still over $100, but not by much. Again, for your purposes, that might still be way too high (unless you want to go the SUPER poor student route and find a free copy somewhere online). It's kind of a case of what do you need it for, how much will you use it, and will your use and need of it justify the price?

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:04 pm
by nontroppo
Hm, I would argue that Endnote is probably one of the worst ref managers on macOS (unless you really want CWYW in Word), so if I was spending my own hard earned cash I go somewhere else (I get it free and I still prefer a paid alternative)!

An interesting aside on my favourite reference manager, Bookends, is that it was released in 1983, and is still in development by the same developer!!!

The first release was in 1983, written for the Apple II+ (it required a floppy disk drive), written in 6502 machine language and published by Sensible Software. It was contemporaneous with Reference Manager on the PC (plus or minus a few months). AFAIK, they were the first two real reference managers written for "microcomputers".

Re: Affordable Citation Software that Works with Scrivener

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:09 pm
by scar
For my PhD thesis I worked with Zotero, Bookends and Sente. I abandoned Zotero because it seemed to me (my opinion...) not enough tought software, for the work that I had in mind, and Bookend, because when I started to work with Scrivener, that was very long time ago it seemed that there was some integration between the two software, but when the thesis was advanced it was not.

At the end, I worked with Sente: it was easy for me make "command-Y" to paste a reference inline in the text from Sente to Scrivener, and to return to Sente with the same key.

I really don't know if the current version of Sente permit this integration, but it worked very very well for me.