kindle for reading or ipad???

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Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:42 am Post

on the dpi thing.... it might be more a limitation of the video subsystem available for low power devices. How much video ram can you really fit in that device?
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Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:26 am Post

The current iPad is using the PowerVR SGX chip, which I don't think has any onboard RAM. The iPad instead utilises as much of its internal 256MB of system RAM for the GPU as is necessary.

The iPad's ppi is calculated by using the Pythagorean theorum: sqrt(1024^2 + 768^2) divided by the diagonal screensize, 9.7" = 132ppi (rounded off).

So, working backward and assuming the same physical size screen, a 326ppi iPad screen would have a diagonal resolution of 3,162 pixels. Thus, a calculated estimated pixel dimension of 2,529 x 1,897. To put that into perspective, the Apple 30" monitor is 2560 x 1600. However, the vast majority of video memory is wasted in most cases. It doesn't take "much", even with page flipping (and does the iPad even do that?) to display that many pixels, keeping in mind that the mobile devices are not doing full 3d rendering of the windowing system like Mac OS X does (and so would need less RAM to display what the 30" needs to display). All Apple would have to do to fix the situation is throw more system RAM into the iPad---so long as the SGX can keep up with the throughput---and it might very well not---that's a lot of data to be piping around! They might have to do that for the next generation anyway, with multitasking in the pipeline.

Conversion to normal speak: Jaysen has a good point. Keep in mind the 30" requires a relatively high-end video card and two DVI cables. :)
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Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:25 am Post

I think that the other point would be that the resolution of a 4g is really only just catching up with an iPad. A better way to say it is that the retina only makes it so that you can display really small fonts on the phone.
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Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:27 pm Post

uh ... guys ... aside from the fact that i didn't understand ANYTHING that you've been saying (however much i enjoyed it, of course!) i'm still wondering: if i want to download books and read them + annotate some of them and then move the annotations for other use, is the kindle the best way to go?

remember: bad eyes, headaches from glary screens, addictive reader.

would i be better to buy the kindle or wait a few months and buy the ipad?

money is -- always -- a concern. but my eyes are the main concern.

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Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:50 pm Post

Buy the book?

Or a kindle. iPad will kill you. But I don't have a pad so I am along basing this on what I hear others saying.
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Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:38 pm Post

Kindle is a pretty good solution for taking notes as you read. It keeps a running log of all your annotations, highlights, and bookmarks, as well as text clippings, and saves them as a plain-text file that you can retrieve by plugging the Kindle into your computer and downloading this file. I like to do that after I read a book, and wipe the log file so it doesn't get so messy. Kindle also provides a way to get your notes via a web page. Since it syncs all of your notes to their servers and makes them available to all devices that can read the books, the web access is a side benefit of that. It's possible to extract notes from there as well---but in general the log file will be easier.

Unfortunately the iPad does not save a log file so if you use the iPad as your reader, notes will have to be retrieved using the web site.
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Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:02 am Post

thanks amber!

do you think the Kindle2 is adequate for what i'm talking about, or would i be better with the dx?

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Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:14 am Post

For most books, I'd say the regular Kindle 2 is good enough. The DX is a lot more expensive, harder to carry around, and you really don't get a whole lot of extra bang for that, either. I'd say, in the case of the DX vs. the iPad, as a reader, I'd put the iPad much more on an even keel than I would against a standard Kindle. I've also heard that it is more difficult to type on the DX because it is larger and heavier. I can add notes to the standard Kindle while reading in bed and just using my thumbs. I would imagine that would be difficult with the DX.

Some books with layout do benefit from it, and PDFs are probably better on it as well. Books that do not rely on layout though, will read just as well on either device. So except in isolated cases, I would really say that the Kindle2 is not only adequate, but superior to the DX.

If you want to get a taste for what reading on a device like this will be like, you could try checking out a local Barnes & Noble or Borders and playing around with the Nook or Sony Reader respectively. Obviously there will be interface and button placement differences, but in terms of what it feels like to flip pages and read on an e-ink surface, these devices will give you a good preview. For me, there is little difference between reading on a Kindle and reading a paperback.

One other thing to note, and this is going to be true with any e-book platform, is that page numbers are going to be a bit of an obsolete concept. If you are accustomed to referencing your notes by page number, you'll find there is no good way to do that. Since text size can be scaled, as with Scrivener, the concept of a "page" is wholly artificial and meaningless. Amazon's response to this problem is to break the book down into "locations" which seem to be roughly every ten words or so. All of your citations and notes will be identified with the location it was attached to. It's easy to get back to any location in the book via the menu (not that you ordinarily need to since you can browse my comment and jump right to it). As far as I know, iBooks has no mechanism for external citations at all, and I'm not sure how the Nook and Sony Reader handle this. So that will take a little getting used to, but when you consider that page numbers are not set in stone with paper publishing either, it's less of an issue than it might feel like, at first---though it does still feel weird to me to write down "loc. 10,872" next to a paper note, instead of "pg. 490". :)
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Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:53 am Post

i ended up buying the new kindle dx. i nearly drove myself dippy, trying to decide between the kindle 2 and the dx. the deciding factor for the dx is that i have to read a lot of docs on the computer for my job and reading on a computer for long hours gives me headaches, which, after i thought it through, pretty well nixed the ipad. i got the kindle a couple of days ago and it's great. moving the docs from my computer to the kindle is easy and i can read with it for hours without either eyestrain or a headache. the only problem is that it's too easy to buy books with the thing. i may go broke.

you were right, amber. it's too big to use your thumbs to type notes. that's just a trade-off i had to make.

thanks for all the advice. it helped me a lot.

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Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:17 am Post

rebecca wrote:i got the kindle a couple of days ago and it's great. moving the docs from my computer to the kindle is easy and i can read with it for hours without either eyestrain or a headache. the only problem is that it's too easy to buy books with the thing. i may go broke.


Ha, yes. The secret is to make it well known to everyone that routinely buys you gifts for your birthday and whatever other holidays, that you want Amazon gift cards. :)

How does the new DX look? I've just seen pictures of it on their website. Is the black a matte finish or is it glossy?
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Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:18 am Post

it's matte finish, a dark charcoal. they call it "graphite" and that's accurate. it's about the color of hematite, without the sheen of hematite. i think it looks good. it's easy to lose myself in a book and forget all about the kindle while reading with it.

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Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:53 pm Post

Contrary to the overall consensus here, I went with the iPad for reading. I spend lots of time in the evenings putting kids to bed, and in that situation iPad is irreplaceable for reading or (quiet) writing.

I use iBooks and Kindle app to read my books, preferring iBooks.

Before this, I used to read books on iPhone (as lengthy as the complete Captain Blood and all of Neil Gaiman) with no problem whatsoever. So the iPad is a major upgrade for me.

I also used to read on a Sony Reader, which I gave to my mom along with the complete ebook collection of Agatha Christie. I couldn't continue with it as it was impossible to read in the dark, and that's my main reading time.

I also found it's easier for me to edit my text on the iPad. It looks more real and final there than on the MB Air, and the mistakes glare stronger.

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:33 am Post

Seriously, STOP THE MADNESS.

There is zero comparison here. None. Get the iPad and do NOT for a second think about it again. I have half of my office of 50 on ipads now and most of them come from Kindles or Sony Readers (myself included -- Sony Reader). The iPad is clearer, adjustable, more user friendly, has color, and that's not to mention anything else it does. I don't know anyone that has eye strain from the iPad and reading. You can adjust the background color, text, and brightness to suite your needs with ease. The Kindle app is fantastic and blows the Kindle itself out of the water. Don't like that? There's a host of other great reading options... Good Reader, iBooks, Barnes and Nobles software, etc, etc.

The only slight negative is it's heavier than an e-reader but you can adjust easily. The display is far superior to an ereader and of course it's backlist, so read in the dark or less light (or you can screw around with booklight attachments for an ereader).

The day I knew the iPad had it's place was when i visited my parents and showed it my 70 year old mother (I'm 32 amazingly), and she was loving it. I came back 3 hours later and she was browsing the web, checking out facebook, and doing things that she'd be hesitant to do with her computer that's collecting dust. A day later I showed her iBooks and my girlfriend went out that night. She read a 300 pages that night and loved every minute of it.

Ok, I'm getting down off my ipad pedastal. I've had readers, a few of them, and I just couldn't even imagine going back to them. I can tell you this, if the ipad was JUST a reader, i'd pay the extra money for it anyway over any other competitor without a doubt.

Ok, carry on.....

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:53 am Post

Vent much? Everyone has to decide for themselves. Threads Iike this are to help people decide which is the best option for them. Some get eyestrain, some do not. Some don't mind a surface that is a giant hyper-sensitive button, others do. Lots of pros and cons, and no reason to get all up and huffy about which is "best".
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:00 am Post

For me (and that's just for me) I will never, ever consider a gadget for reading, writing, browsing, image editing or anything else, with a gloss screen.

End of story. For me, that is… ;-)

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